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  1. After previous rants about the christian summer camp the organisers are now back in schools telling bible stories to the kids every week! I am giving up on this. They obviously have some strong influence on Shetland education that I can't do anything about. Fair enough I admit I'm a non-believer and probably an anti-religionist but up until recently I have deliberately adopted a neutral position with my kids. I have tried hard not to exert any influence on their beliefs apart from providing as much information and resources as I can for them to build the knowledge to be able to form their ow
  2. $1 million for anyone who can prove they work. No one successful so far. http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge.html maybe this is why ; http://www.williamfuld.com/
  3. I am already starting to lose the will here. However I guess you are alleging that because the old testament has the story of Adam and Eve then your god trumps all others. But the old testament was only written long after hundreds of other religions were in existence. So it can be quite clear that the authors felt it necessary to do some revisionist history. And I don't know how you can class ancient people as evil for having an alternate religion. What about native North Americans, such as apache, sioux, cheyenne . They can't surely be evil for not worshiping a god they had never heard
  4. Well pool and paul b etc, here's your wish - a new thread especially for you. Paul B wrote ; Well I have to say that's a new one on me. So I can enter the celestial night club without believing in your god? I just don't get a seat in the vip area - that's reserved for you guys I assume. Any other new rules we should know about? ps. Paul B, no offence intended but why don't you write your posts in word and then do a spell check and copy and paste them back on to your reply. That way it would be easier for the rest of us to see what you are saying. It would also help you see how to spe
  5. Last thread went a bit off topic. Hope this can reflect the debate that ensued. Pool wrote ; What makes you believe this to be true? And why are there so many other religions that predate christianity that also have virgin births, sons of god being born on earth, performing miracles and being ultimately prosecuted and resurrected etc.? Basically why is the jesus story so similar to the majority of other religions that were around at the time and before he was first written about? Do you think your God decided to make Jesus the same as all the other saviours that man had invented jus
  6. Pool wrote: I don't know whether you are on the wind up mate or whether you actually really believe this. If you do believe I guess it's the best riposte ever for those who go on about militant atheists etc. You really believe you are commanded to go around trying to get as many people as possible to follow your belief system and all that goes with it? And you've reached the position that your belief system is superior to very other viewpoint on the planet and therefore you will do anything you can to persuade people to join it. I guess that's what behind the camp. Perhaps I have been
  7. Well now were on the subject.... Paul B. Answer me this. If I am a good person, bring up my kids well, care about society, give to charity, care and love my parents, despair about the injustice in the world, despair about the plight and poverty of the third world , speak out against injustice, support amnesty international and abhor violence. If I do all these things and more and live my life on the principal of do unto others what you would have done to yourself, is your God going to send me and my family to some unimaginable place called hell that he has created for those that do not
  8. Paul B wrote ; I would suggest the people at fault are those that produced misleading leaflets and came into the schools and persuaded the kids to attend the camp on false premise. Some of us who have no interest in christianity but want to be open-minded felt after hearing this pitch via our kids, that it might be a "soft" introduction to our children into this strange belief system. Especially with the severe peer pressure that this approach to recruitment to the camp caused! Unfortunately this was a mistake. We kind of assumed it was a christian thing not to tell lies. And we hav
  9. Yeh can see how this could go off track. But as long as posts are related to Nadine Dorries then fair enough to be on this thread I would say. She makes many false and mendacious statements on these subjects and the point of the thread was to debate how dishonest she is. In order to show her position is demonstratably false then it can be necessary to elaborate on why she is so weak on many of her arguments.
  10. I don't understand if you are contradicting yourself here. It seems strange for you say you had reams of complaints and then go on to say that no women would complain about an abortion process because it is shameful. But apart from that I really hope you have miss-represented yourself. It is extremely offensive to be told termination is shameful. It is a completely legal procedure open to all women in this country. Whether it is an unplanned pregnancy, rape or damaged foetus there is absolutely no shame in termination. It is a difficult and unpleasant process to go through but shame – no,
  11. Everyone to their own I guess but I think it's best to tell the truth to my kids and then we are speaking from the same page whenever we discuss drugs and they are never going to be able to turn around and say I told them nonsense. I want them to know that my advice and help was always true and accurate. That way I hope they will continue to turn to me and rely on me whatever issues they face. They will know my advice is consistent and honest. The amount of people mown down by people high on alcohol seems to massively outweigh deaths caused by cannabis/marijuana so I want my kids to be aware
  12. Unfortunately I have been involved in abortions, both here and in England. Presently you are offered unbiased counselling options and I've had access to this service. The counsellors are properly trained and approved by BMA. These counsellors are accessed through the abortion service or the NHS. These are not exclusively abortion counsellors. They are trained counsellors who provide support to people from all areas of society and the national health. Abortion counselling is only a small part of their work. What Dorries is proposing is that this should stop and counselling can only be prov
  13. This woman is amazing! She has to be an actress impersonating a politicion for one of those reality comedy movies. Some of the stuff she comes out with is completely bonkers. This was her on BBC radio 4 any questions recently ; Then here she is on sky news yesterday promoting her ammendment on abortions ; http://youtu.be/pPmswmgX2KI Most politcions embelish, or are economic with the truth but I don't think I can recall any politicion so full of self promotion and with so little grasp on fact and reality. She is hilarious, read her blog page if you wan't a laugh every day.
  14. Here are some laws that are still on the statute but not normally recognised; It is still technically illegal to eat mince pies on christmas day, unless off course you are trying for a baby. It is still legal for a pregnant woman to relieve herself anywhere she wants. It is a treasonable offence to stick a postage stamp on a letter upside down. Also illegal to be in charge of a cow when intoxicated. Police up here could really improve their conviction rates if they enforced this one. And it is a legal requiremernt to have 25% of a local authority education committee comprised of une
  15. What the hell's a militant atheist? That's a contradiction in terms. I have no beliefs on theism to be fundamental about! I just happen not to believe the things you tell me about your gods. It is impossible to militantly disbelieve. Use your own words instead of adopting hackneyed, flawed clichés! But this is also not so unusual; religions do seem to occupy a sanctified place in people minds that make some people very sensitive when they attract fair criticism. This thread is in response to initiatives to make 25% of the education committee comprise of unelected religious representative
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