JAStewart Posted March 18, 2007 Report Share Posted March 18, 2007 Just sitting here watching the Politics Show and there was a feature about the SNP so I thought that I'd make a topic... Is this a party that you would consider voting for? Despite the fact that they've just received a lotta money for their campaign and their support is growing, I just will not be voting for them. Independence is totally naive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMe Posted March 18, 2007 Report Share Posted March 18, 2007 J A Stewart wroteIndependence is totally naive. Have to disagree with you on that. Independence for England remains one of many options that the London Parliament might choose to go for at some stage in the future. Probably a Tory government keen to get rid of those troublesome Labour and Nationalist MPs from Scotland and Wales. Looking at things from a Scottish perspective a lot of the infrastructure for running Scotland as an independent nation within Europe already exists and although it might be hard to sever all links with England from day one it would not be an overly complicated task to transfer all the remaining responsibilities from London to Edinburgh. Membership of the EU is probably essential for an independent Scotland although perhaps some things could be re-negotiated. Seats at the United Nations and signing up to the likes of the Kyoto agreement would have to be arranged as indeed would decisions on joining the likes of NATO. The first election after independence would be interesting. Would the electorate abandon the SNP and revert to the Lab/Lib/Con division of votes. Certainly possible. There would remain one rather sensitive issue. The Monarchy. Would the present Queen continue to be Queen of Scotland or would a Stuart regain the Scottish Throne and allow the gates at Traquair to open once more?. Or would Scotland become a republic with an elected President?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Para Handy Posted March 18, 2007 Report Share Posted March 18, 2007 Just sitting here watching the Politics Show and there was a feature about the SNP so I thought that I'd make a topic... Is this a party that you would consider voting for? Despite the fact that they've just received a lotta money for their campaign and their support is growing, I just will not be voting for them. Independence is totally naive. The SNP ar no better than the National Socialist German Workers' Party) in the 1930-1945 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudias Posted March 18, 2007 Report Share Posted March 18, 2007 The NSGW were just a normal socialist party until Adolf had extraordinary powers conferred upon him. The same powers which Dubya is wielding now.Are Americans the modern Nazis? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Para Handy Posted March 18, 2007 Report Share Posted March 18, 2007 The NSGW were just a normal socialist party until Adolf had extraordinary powers conferred upon him. The same powers which Dubya is wielding now.Are Americans the modern Nazis? Every time I see Nicola Sturgeon or Alex Salmond on the TV I expect to see there storm troopers strutting on behind them I would not be surprised if the first thing Alex Salmond did was to give him self the said extraordinary powers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dB Posted March 19, 2007 Report Share Posted March 19, 2007 The SNP ar no better than the National Socialist German Workers' Party) in the 1930-1945 That has to be a big .............................................WHOOSH...!!! Nice try, though ................... not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junior Posted March 19, 2007 Report Share Posted March 19, 2007 I wouldn't consider voting for them, because I see them as only having one policy. I agree with JAStewart when he says that independence is naive, not because we would struggle to get recognised or accepted by other countres or associations, and not because of the practicalities of power transfer, but because I just don't think that we would be better off on our own. United we stand... etc. Would we have as strong an international influence? Would we be as strong financially? Would we be stronger culturally? I'd say "No" to all three. Its a bit of a shame really, I quite like Salmond and Sturgeon, I think they could do very well in Scottish politics were they to get it into their heads that the people don't actually want independence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndDenWeMadeTea Posted March 25, 2007 Report Share Posted March 25, 2007 Whilst I am proud to be Scottish in terms of our history, identity and culture. I wouldn't vote for the SNP even if you put a gun to my head. Political and economic arguments aside, I find their whole tone smarmy, patronising and sinister. I think that Alex Salmond is a chancer, and I wouldn't trust him with my granny!! Ever time Miss Stugeron appears on the television, I have to switch off the television otherwise my size 10 would go through it! She is the perfect example of why women should NOT go into politics, and is the most horrible women politician since the Iron Lady herself!! Vote for keeping the Union, but having a strong, independent minded and proud Scotland within it!! Do NOT be taken in by the SNP cock and bull!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuckleJoannie Posted March 25, 2007 Report Share Posted March 25, 2007 Da civil servants seem tae tink dat dat da SNP hae a chance o winnin in if dis story in Scotland on Sunday is anything tae go by. http://news.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=462212007 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mutton Posted March 26, 2007 Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 Whilst I am proud to be Scottish in terms of our history, identity and culture. Even the way they treated Shetlanders once they infiltrated our islands? The anti Scottish feeling of course has long gone (except from a minority) but it is still part of history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sailor Posted March 27, 2007 Report Share Posted March 27, 2007 Just sitting here watching the Politics Show and there was a feature about the SNP so I thought that I'd make a topic... Is this a party that you would consider voting for? Despite the fact that they've just received a lotta money for their campaign and their support is growing, I just will not be voting for them. Independence is totally naive. You've just increased their profile by starting this thread. Every recent election in Scotland has been fuelled with speculation of a SNP overall win. This is one of the main reasons for the SNP's success(?). Media coverage. They are very good at using the media, and seeing how Tony Blair and Labour have used them, they are going the right way to succeed. But are we getting what we need to run a country? Maybe, maybe not. And did the SNP not state when they were created that they would disband once independance for Scotland is acheived. An old statement, but still relevant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rasmie Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 I am in principle against the break-up of the U.K. I believe that the Scottish influence has helped keep our country on the straight and narrow. However UK politics has become so stale that unless we have a viable opposition to the New Labour/Conservative policies then it is not going to change. We need a new left of centre party or stronger independent Liberal party to bring back the balance. My worry is that the Union may not be viable with the English backlash against being run by the Scottish New Labour clique, that even if we don't all want independence it may be thrust upon us. I've no doubt Scotland could run itself well, albeit as a minor/non-player on the world stage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndDenWeMadeTea Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 Further to earlier entry and some of the other entries in this threat, I just can't believe that Scotland may well be slipping towards independence by blindly voting SNP (basically as a protest against Labour). I realise that politics is a rough old trade, but how can people be so so stupid. Do they not think of the possible long terms consequences? Am I the only Scottish person who is proud to be Scottish, yet wants us to remain as part of the Union and is proud for us to be so? I notice the poll in todays Times suggest that theSNP are likely to gain about 50 seats against Labours 43. Not only this, SNP are likely to win on both the FPTP and Constituency ballots. I find this totally unbelievable. Also, the Times asked an ex female 'Tory' voter and the response was as follows: 'I would never have dreams of voting SNP before, but I think I might do now. I have my doubts about independence, but I think the SNP would be a strong alternative in government' I just about choked on my morning coffee when I read this!! This naive ignorant attitude probably sums up why the SNP are now doing so well. I understand that protest votes are part and parcel of politics. Fair enough, it is vote against Labour. But if you don't want independence DON'T VOTE SNP YOU SILLY WOMEN!!!! To me, the Union is too serious an issue to be messed about with by voting for the very political party of chancers who want to break 300 year institution up in the first place. Vote for the Torys, Liberal Democrats or the Greens if you want to save the Union and don't want independence!! Its not rocket science!! I cannot believe that this is happening, and I cannot believe that people can be so blind to it. The prospect of Salmond and Sturgeon getting in by the back door leaves me sick to the stomach. The message is and should be very simple. If you don't want independence, do not vote SNP on May 3rd!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fjool Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 The prospect of Salmond and Sturgeon getting in by the back door leaves me sick to the stomach. Don't fret. It wont happen and, if it does, it wont automatically dissolve the union. Things aren't as fragile as all that. Who really wants to be run by two such fishy fellows? (It has been pointed out to me that Sturgeon is not a 'fellow', but what the hey... it alliterates better that way) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndDenWeMadeTea Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 I hope that you are right. Perhaps if the SNP do do well, it well make people wake up to exactly what they have potentially voted for, and the pro Unionist lobby may grow much stronger than it currently is. My worry is that given how skilfull and sneaky Salmond is, that he may well pave a road for independence. Although I can't stand nor turst the man, I would agree that he is a very skillfull political operator. Perhaps once people wake up to this, then the SNP will be put in their rightful place, and we can be allowed to feel proud to be Scottish without voting for them. There is a big tv debate on STV on Sunday on this issue. Another problem at the moment is this (as will be for all to see in that debate). Alex Salmond is a very skilled political debator. Unfortunately, the Unionist cause does not have any heavy weight exponents left. I don't know if anyone saw the Newsnight debate a month or so back, this fact was there for all to see. Labour had Douglas Alexander on. Whilst I would accept that he is a very intelligent, skillfull politician, on that particular issue he was proven to be a lightweight. Why wasn't Jack McConnel on that debate? Perhaps Labour should even draft in Lord (Michael) Forsyth. Although he may be a Tory, no one could put together an argument in favour of the Union like he could. I am afraid that Anobel Goldie, Nicol Stephen nor even Jack McConnel really cut the mustard on any of these counts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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