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#21 Stevo

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Posted 04 December 2011 - 09:07 PM

You've forgotten about the last knife attack.. About a year ago? Same area of town (down by Queens Hotel).


Can't remember that NX, what was the story there?


Twa polish men fighting ootside the Queens and wan wis stabbed. I mind dat, it wis a few years ago now.

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Posted 04 December 2011 - 09:10 PM

^^ Wasn't it a 'dispute' between two Polish or Lithuanian factory workers outside Scottshall Court?
If my memory serves me the victim made a full recovery from a knife wound to the side of his abdomen and the culprit got (I think) 9 months?

#23 Para Handy

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Posted 04 December 2011 - 09:16 PM

^^ I'm aware of Police procedure when it comes to gathering evidence. Surely though, It would've been better to have stopped this assault becoming a serious assault by alerting the on duty officers that cruise the street most weekends?
Then It would only have required a recording of the events and not a request for witnesses.

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A stabbing has more brownie points than a simple assault so why would the police get of there backsides for anything less.
Unless anything to do with drink that is or seatbelts

#24 EM

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Posted 04 December 2011 - 09:19 PM

... outside Scottshall Court?

It was there, but somewhat more dramatic. The incident happened at a flat there and the stabbed guy ran for his life. As he exited the court he was very nearly killed by running in front of a passing taxi. That would have been a remarkable bummer. As it was the appearance of the taxi caused the attacker to retreat. When the police checked the flat he was found hiding in a cupboard. There was some kind of family relationship between them I think.

As for last nights incident, despite it happening near the house, I heard and saw nothing.

It is quite strange, I'm living in "street slasher central" yet I'd say it is one of the safest and cosiest feeling places anywhere. Makes you think.

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Posted 04 December 2011 - 09:38 PM

NorthernXposure
A stabbing has more brownie points than a simple assault so why would the police get of there backsides for anything less.
Unless anything to do with drink that is or seatbelts


You sound like you have a personal grievance with Police inaction. Is it possible they've failed to follow up a complaint sometime in the past?

#26 shetlandpeat

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Posted 04 December 2011 - 10:38 PM

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#27 Para Handy

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Posted 05 December 2011 - 12:03 PM


NorthernXposure
A stabbing has more brownie points than a simple assault so why would the police get of there backsides for anything less.
Unless anything to do with drink that is or seatbelts


You sound like you have a personal grievance with Police inaction. Is it possible they've failed to follow up a complaint sometime in the past?


NorthernXposure
Just an observation from reading the Shetland Times for over 40 years
And from friends.
And having a car vandal let of with a lesser charge for pleading guilty

#28 Piddly

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Posted 05 December 2011 - 12:43 PM

I know the Shetland rumour mill is in full force with this one and I understand that, but, for everyone reading the link, i'd just like to point out that the writer of the article has said the young man was 'stabbed', if you read carefully what the police statement says, its that they are looking for information on an incident which ".....a 23 year old man received an injury which resulted in hospital treatment." The police haven't actually said it was a stabbing.

This may not turn out to be what everyone is thinking it is, time will tell.


See link below, I see Hans has ammended the original piece he did yesterday.

http://www.shetnews....ial-street.html

#29 shetlandpeat

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Posted 05 December 2011 - 04:54 PM

No amendment was listed on the report.
There has always been violence in Lerwick, I remember it 30 years ago, so to say it has increased or decreased is a shot in the dark.
Anywhere there is drink served, there tends to have been some sort of violence. Goes with the game really. And the Police and Ambulance service have to deal with it.

I was also looking at buying Loch End House a few years ago, it was quiet and had a great garden, still the same I believe.

#30 Piddly

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Posted 05 December 2011 - 06:13 PM

Okay SP, he has printed another story to the one published yesterday. This new one reads slightly different :wink:

#31 scoots

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Posted 07 December 2011 - 10:25 PM

Para Handy, cops have nothing to do with court results or who's let off with lesser charges, so far as I know. This is a common mistake made by folk with the blame game. Dunno about your other points either. Seems to me you can't blame cops here now for "problems" caused by others in the past. I believe in taking folk as I find them...

#32 shetlandpeat

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Posted 07 December 2011 - 10:46 PM

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All of it, WOW!!!!!!!!!!! That could have wider implications.

Removing a post and then referring to T&Cs, should be accompanied by a PM, was it the fact that I was looking at buying Loch End house, an incident outside an un-named take away or a shop that sells wine.
The incident was reported in the paper so was in the public domain, the property was advertised in the press, the shop that sells booze is still there. The take away is not. Sorry if ALL of the post broke the T&Cs, I think.

#33 JGHR

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Posted 07 December 2011 - 11:46 PM

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All of it, WOW!!!!!!!!!!! That could have wider implications.

Removing a post and then referring to T&Cs, should be accompanied by a PM, was it the fact that I was looking at buying Loch End house, an incident outside an un-named take away or a shop that sells wine.
The incident was reported in the paper so was in the public domain, the property was advertised in the press, the shop that sells booze is still there. The take away is not. Sorry if ALL of the post broke the T&Cs, I think.


I didn't see the offending post. Perhaps, if most of your writing is anything to go by, the moderator found it incomprehensible. Rather than spend time trying to decipher exactly which parts of your jumbled syntax broke the terms and conditions, he or she simply deleted the whole thing.

#34 vadger

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Posted 08 December 2011 - 12:19 AM

no doubt the worst and most derogatory story spread by the worst liar will be the one everybody latches onto , folk are good at that , glad to see one or two holding onto the older n more wise ways of "haddn aff til we see" and cctv probably wont show admissable evidence

#35 Dratsy

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Posted 08 December 2011 - 12:23 AM

no doubt the worst and most derogatory story spread by the worst liar will be the one everybody latches onto , folk are good at that , glad to see one or two holding onto the older n more wise ways of "haddn aff til we see" and cctv probably wont show admissable evidence


the only time cctv is not admissable is when there are no signs up saying you are being filmed, complete bollox if you ask me but thats the law

#36 Daegerty

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Posted 08 December 2011 - 12:36 AM

CCTV has always been a senseless big brother invasion of privacy, get rid of it!

#37 vadger

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Posted 08 December 2011 - 01:11 AM

no doubt the worst and most derogatory story spread by the worst liar will be the one everybody latches onto , folk are good at that , glad to see one or two holding onto the older n more wise ways of "haddn aff til we see" and cctv probably wont show admissable evidence


the only time cctv is not admissable is when there are no signs up saying you are being filmed, complete bollox if you ask me but thats the law


poor weather , unclear images, expensive lawyers etc etc , even if there was a knife it might not show up in the pictures , its bound to take all kinds of twists n turns before any kinda conclusion

#38 scoots

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Posted 08 December 2011 - 01:52 AM

If there's a network of cameras covering an area and a crime is committed within that area, seems highly likely to me they wouldn't just look at image from one camera & write it off as crap or unusable without checking them all. You know like in a route taken to & from? You see it used in major crime docs on telly all the time. Circumstantial, yeah, but it's another piece of evidence all the same. Enough circumstantial & you have a case. Or - as in at least one case I know of South - it can clear a suspect. Handy for all sides, that. Especially when it's a serious crime. I remember a lad I know getting nicked outside a club after a fight (South) while three others legged it or were sent on their way. a quick check of CCTV showed he was the VICTIM and had done nowt, but it also id'd his attackers & they were nicked on the CCTV alone (he was that drunk he couldn't remember who had scarred him for life). If that was me, I'd be damn grateful for the cameras.

What's the old Judge Dredd line? "Only the guilty have anything to fear"? Hmmmm?

Daegerty, tell that to victims of crime... like the riots this year? Most convictions came from CCTV footage and, of course, the subject of my next post...

#39 scoots

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Posted 08 December 2011 - 01:54 AM

And if you're complaining about CCTV, what about mobile phones? Seems to me you can't spit or blow your nose without some eejit videoing you & putting it on YouTube!! What about those invasions of privacy? Every person with a camera phone is a walking CCTV these days.

I blame Harry Hill meself!! :roll:

#40 scoots

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Posted 08 December 2011 - 01:56 AM

SP, I KNEW joining Anonymous would come in handy! Hacking the mods to edit you was a doddle! :P

(kiiiiiiiddiiiiiiiing!! :wink: )