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If Scotland became independant, what would Shetland do?

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#31 sheltie53

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Posted 07 December 2011 - 12:13 AM

Ower muckle ta pit upu dis, hits a copy o an auld link.

Certainly got my vote now as it did at that time.

http://www.martinfro...2_shetland.html

#32 George.

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Posted 11 December 2011 - 02:54 PM

We need to go for independance, get rid of the U.K because they are no more than leaches, benefit from the profit that is just sitting there from our oil and consider linking up with a nordic country. Remember 1469, we didn't start off tied to Scotland!!!

#33 icepick239

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Posted 11 December 2011 - 03:27 PM

We need to go for independance, get rid of the U.K because they are no more than leaches, benefit from the profit that is just sitting there from our oil and consider linking up with a nordic country. Remember 1469, we didn't start off tied to Scotland!!!

This truly must be, one the most ridiculous, prickless posts since 1469. :roll:

#34 Dratsy

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Posted 11 December 2011 - 03:36 PM

We need to go for independance, get rid of the U.K because they are no more than leaches, benefit from the profit that is just sitting there from our oil and consider linking up with a nordic country. Remember 1469, we didn't start off tied to Scotland!!!

This truly must be, one the most ridiculous, prickless posts since 1469. :roll:


Oh I don't know some of yours would surely Take That prize

#35 sheltie53

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Posted 11 December 2011 - 05:19 PM

LOL !!


That's the way boys, keep arguing, that's a truly useful contribution.

#36 Kavi Ugl

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Posted 11 December 2011 - 06:30 PM

We need to go for independance, get rid of the U.K because they are no more than leaches, benefit from the profit that is just sitting there from our oil and consider linking up with a nordic country. Remember 1469, we didn't start off tied to Scotland!!!


If du means Shetland then yep, it's got my vote.

I'm disappointed none of the prospective councillors for Scy have been asked or given their thoughts on the proposed scottish independance referendum and what Shetland should do.

(and yes, I ken it's after this current council but it would've been interesting to know where they stand).

#37 sheltie53

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Posted 11 December 2011 - 07:46 PM

That's a very good point and a question worth asking.

Who's going to put it forward?

#38 paulb

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Posted 11 December 2011 - 08:43 PM

you should know what scotties views are robert williamson has simlar views i don't know about the others.

#39 NewMagnie

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Posted 12 December 2011 - 10:55 PM

"Staying with the UK if Scotland opts for independence" is a bit oxymoronic surely? The UK as it's currently constituted would effectively cease to exist - so what are we talking about here? Union with England?

Besides, who says the option is on the table? If Scotland declares independence Shetland gets hived off with Scotland - then what? A separate act of secession? And since ownership of Shetland will be all that gives Scotland any claim over the oil fields, I don't imagine they'll give it up that easily.

The same applies to Westminster of course, in any fiscal climate, never mind the present one, I can't imagine any sovereign state walking away form any source of hard currency. We might find that Salmond et al will be happy to cut a deal on the oilfields to ensure an orderly exit from the UK anyway.

Besides, socio-economic and cultural ties being what they are, the current union will be replaced with something else - a Brittanic zone of mutual cooperation of some kind. The task will be to find a place within that framework rather than wistfully gazing east.

Remember 1469? You mean the year that the Scandinavian royal family cheerfully gave away the farm, treating Shetland as no more than a disposable trinket? I've never understood Shetland's Scandophile tendencies, looking backward fondly to a country that gave us away like a cheap trinket for political expediency.

I'm sick of hearing about 1469 as if it was the date of some hostile take over. We were given away. Let's bear that in mind before we get too dewy eyed about our scandowegian heritage.

#40 Redrobbie99

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Posted 13 December 2011 - 12:47 AM

Shetland was not given away the kings lands were pawned in leu of a marriage dowery.Remember at this time their was three kinds of land ownership in shetland royal land church land and udallers land . The king could only pawn what was his .This could not have been the whole of shetland.

#41 NewMagnie

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Posted 13 December 2011 - 05:36 AM

And yet, here we are.

"Pawned in lieu of/given away". I'm sure these are meaningful distinctions in, perhaps, the confines of an althing debate, but in real world terms they're indistinguishable.

I'm sure we'll still be heatedly debating the finer points of udal law while Salmond raises the Saltire over the toon hall. What is it they say about possesion being nine tenths of the law?

If the political landscape is about to substantially change, and we need to consider how its going to affect us, harking back to defunct sovereignties and meaningless, ancient laws are not what you'd call bluff pragmatism.

#42 paulb

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Posted 13 December 2011 - 06:01 AM

its not important what happened over 600 years ago. if scotland chooses independance then shetland should have the same right to either stay in the union or go with scotland or even become independant. if the last it maybe more practical to merge with orkney. the union of england wales and northern ireland would remain and unless the scots were very clever they would end up a puppet of the EU. just as the scotshave the right to choose their future so does shetland.
which would be best for shetland i don't know but it would need a lot of careful planning.

#43 JustMe

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Posted 13 December 2011 - 07:38 AM

just as the Scots have the right to choose their future so does Shetland.

Who has the right to choose what?. Despite the noises made by the SNP I am not sure that even a "Yes" vote in a referendum would lead to independence until such time as the English part of the UK Parliament had a majority of English Nationalist MPs. Doubtful even then while Scotland's oil is still flowing.

But where does this stop?. Independence for Cornwall, The Kingdom of Fife, Isle of Wight or even London?. Could the Socialist Republic of South Yorkshire become a reality?. Must not forget Wales and Northern Ireland. And Forvik as an independent tax haven?.

#44 paulb

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Posted 13 December 2011 - 08:09 AM

good point. travelling back through time showed that the smaller idependent kingdoms were always swallowed up by there bigger badder neigbour. so if the uk was to break down into smaller units whatever thats sizes was and the EU were to stay the same we would be swallowed up by them in the end. i can see ireland and wales breaking away but its unlikely that england as a whole will split.

#45 Kavi Ugl

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Posted 13 December 2011 - 08:25 AM

@NewMagnie, I wouldn't be so disparaging of Shetland's history or future!. The very fact that Scotland is having an independance referendum 300+ years after the Treaty of Union says that Shetland too can vote for change/go it's own way.

Remember Hong Kong.......?.

It's not a question of where it stops - that's not our problem anyway. This is about Shetland and in the next two years, when the SIC cuts are done and dusted, the true state of Shetland will be revealed.

Unfortunately, the SNP crave being in Europe which most Shetlanders and even Scots realise has been a disaster, especially for the fishing.

Land was the currency 500 years ago and what the King of Denmark did wasn't done lightly. Infact according to the Shetland Museum it's recorded that on no less than 7 times he tried to have the agreement honoured and redeem the lands and even sent delegations to Scotland about it.

I'm sure that it's in the/a United Nations Charter that people have the right to self-determination.





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