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#16 Hamiltonian

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 02:28 PM

all hail President Salmond :P

I feel the increasing urge to run away.


Surely we live in a democracy. Why then would there not be a democratic election for governance of an independent Scotland?
Also, the SNP (having achieved their goal) would, or should disband.

#17 ArabiaTerra

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 03:24 PM

all hail President Salmond :P

I feel the increasing urge to run away.


Surely we live in a democracy. Why then would there not be a democratic election for governance of an independent Scotland?
Also, the SNP (having achieved their goal) would, or should disband.


Exactly!

The issue of an independent Scotland is independent of the issue of Big Eck as leader of said country.

I support independence but I'm a bit suspicious of Salmond. This suspicion will not stop me from voting for it though.

#18 Scorrie

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 08:48 PM

Cornwall?

:roll:


Hillswick :?: :?: :?:


Sod that idea.

I don't want to governed by some massive state like Hillswick.

Independence for me favourite barstool next to the jukebox in the St Magnus!

(And VAT free Rammstein tracks) 8)

#19 Hamiltonian

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 09:18 PM

What happens if the referendum produces a 'yes' vote for independence?.... Will the SNP stand aside and allow a free election to take place for a free and independent country or will they assume control as the auto parliamentary?
Sounds like a re-branded system that we already know, to me.

#20 Who Knows

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 10:52 PM

The next election for the Scottish Parliament is scheduled for May 2016.

If Scotland votes no then it will be for the current devolved parliament.

If Scotland votes yes then it will be the first election for the new government of the independent Scottish state.

If Scotland votes yes then between vote in 2014 and that election in 2016 the current SNP government plan is to negotiate the terms of the split/divorce/separation (call it what you choose) and agree a draft constitution for the new state with engagement/consultation with numerous stakeholders, and negotiation Scotland's membership of United Nation, European Union etc.

What happens with politicians involved may not be that straight forward.

#21 RickB

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 11:54 PM

Thanks Who Knows,
That is the most mature and well thought out post I have seen on Shetlink in a very long time.
A common mistake people make is that, should Scotland vote yes it will happen overnight. As you rightly pointed out, either way the next Scottish election is in 2016.

#22 Gorgonzola Butt-cheese

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Posted 01 July 2013 - 06:50 PM

http://forbritain.or...ortareferendum/

Without independence from europe it aint independence......

Give carbuncle a prod via the above link.

#23 Urabug

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Posted 01 July 2013 - 08:14 PM

What if England should decide to go for independence if Scotland says NO?

#24 Who Knows

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Posted 01 July 2013 - 10:23 PM

Bit of a hypothetical question given there is no democratic movement currently arguing for England to separate from the rest of the UK. "Better together" is the buzz word of the 4 main political parties in England.

However if England wished to dissolve the Union of the Parliaments as a sovereign country they would have the democratic right to do so. England would then have to apply to join the United Nations, European Union etc.

Theoretically this would leave Wales, Northern Ireland and Scotland as the successor state to the UK but would have to then decide whether they wish to remain a single country or also go their separate ways as independent countries.

#25 Gorgonzola Butt-cheese

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Posted 19 July 2013 - 09:29 PM

Another great speech from Farage, UK independence would be preferable to a scottish province of Europe..

#26 Who Knows

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Posted 22 July 2013 - 09:27 PM

The debate on this issue is often clouded by the lack of independent research and to many assertions made about possible best or worst case scenarios.

Given Shetland's scandavian connections recently published research article by Icelandic professors may add a bit of sense and clarity to the debate it can be found at the following web address

http://www.stjornmal....2013.9.1.1.pdf

With the visit of the Scottish Government to a public meeting in Lerwick this Thursday can give those who want answers to their salient issues answered the opportunity to have a say and hold them directly to account.

The decision next September may be potentially life changing to us all.

Hopefully people will choose to vote in large numbers and take the time to make that decision in a rationale manner after carefully reflecting on the case presented and deciding what best serves the aspirations for the future country you wish to live in.

#27 MuckleJoannie

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Posted 01 August 2013 - 11:25 AM

CROFTERS backing independence are launching a country-wide group to campaign for a yes vote in next year’s referendum.

http://www.scotsman....paign-1-3024857

Finland, an independent country with around the same population as Scotland, where in the most recent Rural Development Budget, small farmers were awarded 138 Euros per Hectare in EU support compared to the 20 Euros per Hectare obtained by the UK for crofters and small farmers in Scotland



#28 Gorgonzola Butt-cheese

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Posted 04 August 2013 - 06:43 AM

What is it with people when it comes to this talk of subsidy from the EU ?
Its not from the E.U. ! Its only a fraction of the money back that we ( as a country) paid into the corrupt organisation in the first place.
The country is shafted 50 million per day by recent research

http://www.thisismon...-does-back.html

I have tried to point out to many pro scottish independance types that it's not independance to dance to Brussel's tune as a province of europe, but usually their eyes just glaze over as they don't seem to understand?

Look what the SNP says on the europe question

http://www.telegraph...s-Brussels.html

FFS ! look at the state of Greece, Spain , Italy , Ireland, Portugal etc - economies F**k*d , 50 +% youth unemployment.
http://www.zerohedge...latest-bad-idea
Watch the clip...

Look at Shetland / Scotland fishing industry story , quota system has led to decimation of the fleet , hundreds of thousands of tonnes of fish dumped ( still ongoing) and many vessels now crewed by economic slave labourers from third world countries...

Independant Scotland ? What a load of crap !

#29 Gorgonzola Butt-cheese

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Posted 09 August 2013 - 09:24 PM

http://hat4uk.wordpr...did-you-notice/

#30 MuckleJoannie

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Posted 13 September 2013 - 09:38 PM

Video from the councils in Shetland, Orkney and the Western Isles about their future

 







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