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#196 shevans

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Posted 10 December 2013 - 06:49 PM

Closing Skerries School that is delivering an excellent education, and saving no money.  This could only happen in Shetland??


It will heavily impact the whole if Skerries, population, jobs and house values are just a few.

Grab a few spare primary aged children and get them on Papa Stour, then the real issue of education vs cost will really surface from the SIC educational department.

#197 JustMe

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Posted 10 December 2013 - 07:29 PM

Closing Skerries School that is delivering an excellent education, and saving no money.  This could only happen in Shetland??

Well they say closing Skerries Secondary will save £73,000 which I presume is meant to be the savings per year.  They also say that the Skerries kids will get a better education in Lerwick.  If they are telling lies then maybe we could see even greater savings by sacking them without compensation. 

 

But this is not yet a decision.  Full council tomorrow will make that subject of course to anything the Scottish Government might do.

 

For myself if I was faced with making this decision as well as looking closely at the figures and alternatives such as remote learning I would really like to hear what the three kids plus perhaps the older ones in Skerries primary had to say when out of earshot of their parents and both teachers and council officials.



#198 papastour

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Posted 10 December 2013 - 08:22 PM

The children of Skerries have spoken without parents or council workers around to the BBC Shetland reporter (Mike)

 

http://www.telegraph...ary-school.html

 

They also voted to keep the school open when the SIC closed all the other schools because of the weather forecast. They obviously value their school and love it. :razz:


Edited by papastour, 10 December 2013 - 08:23 PM.


#199 crofter

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Posted 10 December 2013 - 08:39 PM

petition here if anybody wants to sign it tonight...

 

https://www.change.o...econdary-school



#200 JustMe

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Posted 10 December 2013 - 08:46 PM

The children of Skerries have spoken without parents or council workers around to the BBC Shetland reporter (Mike)

 

http://www.telegraph...ary-school.html

 

They also voted to keep the school open when the SIC closed all the other schools because of the weather forecast. They obviously value their school and love it. :razz:

Well of course Fair Isle and Foula survive without secondary schools as did Papa Stour and as does Fetlar.  And I am sure perceived wisdom among education experts is that bigger is better (up to a point).  But if the plan for 2 year secondary schools goes ahead that could leave Skerries with 1 pupil or even none.  Meanwhile being quoted on the BBC really does not guarantee free speech from the Skerries kids.

 

If I had to decide tomorrow my heart would say "keep Skerries open" and my mind might well decide I needed to be anywhere other than the council chamber tomorrow.  Might vote for the 2 year option.

 

Sorry I do not think the petition will do much good.  What are needed are new facts such as the perceived saving being wrong and someone of at least as great a standing as the last "expert" to say that the last report was rubbish when comparing the education offered in their own local school to that offered when having to stay at the AHS Hall of Residence........yes it is no more a hostel.



#201 crofter

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Posted 10 December 2013 - 09:44 PM

JustMe, I agree that the petition will likely not make any difference, but at least it is a way to express your opposition, if that is your view. 

 

"I think it's a bad idea to shut my school. The bad things about going to the Anderson High School would be travel. At the moment, ferries from Skerries on Fridays haven't been going due to weather conditions. These weather conditions are serious and this is only October.  Imagine going on the ferry later on in the winter!  I have previously been on school outings and stayed in the Janet Courtney Hostel.  I didn't like it.  I enjoy staying in Skerries, I sometimes go to Lerwick at the weekends and I enjoy it, but to be there all the time is not viable for me."


 



#202 JustMe

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Posted 11 December 2013 - 06:40 PM

Well that is it!.  The powers that be have decided and only the Scottish Government can change things.  So I had a few thoughts.  Like is it so bad to stay at the Halls of Residence in the week and go home at weekends.  Remember that a lot of the members of the UK government went to public schools where they went there before term started and came home when it ended.  And of course some went to prep school which meant they were even younger leaving home.  Fair number of the opposition had the same educational experience as did lots of civil servants.  So I think saying that closing the school will wreck home life may well fall on deaf ears.

 

As will talking about the bairns getting sea sick.  Got a couple of options there.  Move to somewhere without any sea or home educate.

 

Families are going to leave?.  Bet others would be happy to move there and would even be delighted to lose the older kids during the week.

 

Need the help of the kids on the croft?.  Hire an eastern European and pay proper wages.

 

Does that sound terrible?.  Well it is not exactly how I feel but the sort of things are going to be raised by those in favour of closure so those who want to keep the secondary department open need answers to this sort of thing.



#203 brian.smith

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Posted 12 December 2013 - 04:05 PM

Well that is it!.  The powers that be have decided and only the Scottish Government can change things.  So I had a few thoughts.  Like is it so bad to stay at the Halls of Residence in the week and go home at weekends.  Remember that a lot of the members of the UK government went to public schools where they went there before term started and came home when it ended.  And of course some went to prep school which meant they were even younger leaving home.  Fair number of the opposition had the same educational experience as did lots of civil servants.  So I think saying that closing the school will wreck home life may well fall on deaf ears.

 

As will talking about the bairns getting sea sick.  Got a couple of options there.  Move to somewhere without any sea or home educate.

 

Families are going to leave?.  Bet others would be happy to move there and would even be delighted to lose the older kids during the week.

 

Need the help of the kids on the croft?.  Hire an eastern European and pay proper wages.

 

Does that sound terrible?.  Well it is not exactly how I feel but the sort of things are going to be raised by those in favour of closure so those who want to keep the secondary department open need answers to this sort of thing.

I think most folks involved will not really care about how the posh brigade coped with boarding school as it was their parents choice,

Why should they move there was a school there when they got there.

The last point is laughable. Do you see great profit margins on a croft which would allow paying a wage and why eastern european :-o


Edited by brian.smith, 12 December 2013 - 04:05 PM.


#204 JustMe

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Posted 12 December 2013 - 04:21 PM

 

I think most folks involved will not really care about how the posh brigade coped with boarding school as it was their parents choice,

Why should they move there was a school there when they got there.

The last point is laughable. Do you see great profit margins on a croft which would allow paying a wage and why eastern european :-o

 

No Brian, I do not think that the people of Skerries will care much about the posh brigade at boarding schools but to an extent the posh brigade will make the decisions.  But my posting warns about the sort of attitude that Skerries folk will have to overcome if they are to win.

 

And why an East European?......well supposedly they are the only ones prepared to work hard in the UK for the minimum wage.  Well apart from crofters who work hard for less.



#205 ll

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Posted 12 December 2013 - 09:44 PM

A bit of a shame this for Skerries, but one wonders if the high level of costs for providing services for outlying islands will need to be severely trimmed if they can be justified in the long term or it's going to be death by a thousand cuts.

 

If you take a return ferry journey to Skerries for a car and driver, it is having to be subsidised beyond the fare to the tune of £790. You could go on an all inclusive cruise for this kind of money.

 

I don't know what the two planes and infrastructure and Tingwall airport cost for providing 4 return plane services in addition to the ferry runs, but if SIC is running the show, it will not be cheap.



#206 papastour

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 08:44 AM

Names have been changed to protect identity  http://www.youtube.c...h?v=43OFjvTiNDg



#207 Colin

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 05:03 PM

Names have been changed to protect identity  http://www.youtube.c...h?v=43OFjvTiNDg

What Names?

 

I see Adolph Hitler, German Staff Officers and others wearing SS insignia.  Didn't bother watching (or listening) to it as I don't think that it is particularly relevant but, is this a very lame attempt to label modern day equivalents a Nazi Fascists?

 

Explain.....



#208 unlinkedstudent

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 08:04 PM

That German translator should be sacked. :twisted:



#209 MuckleJoannie

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 10:37 PM

 

Names have been changed to protect identity  http://www.youtube.c...h?v=43OFjvTiNDg

What Names?

 

I see Adolph Hitler, German Staff Officers and others wearing SS insignia.  Didn't bother watching (or listening) to it as I don't think that it is particularly relevant but, is this a very lame attempt to label modern day equivalents a Nazi Fascists?

 

Explain.....

 

Being married to a teacher I think that video explains a lot about how the Curriculm for Excellence came about.



#210 Colin

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Posted 18 December 2013 - 12:52 AM


Being married to a teacher I think that video explains a lot about how the Curriculm for Excellence came about.

 

Like I said, I didn't watch more than the first few moments of it before revulsion set in.

 

Just can't get my head around the link between modern day dictats and the despicable actions of the Nazi's.

 

At best the link is, in my opinion, just not appropriate.

 

Way to extreme for a genteel soul like me.... :roll:







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