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Poll: Military intervention in Syria (57 member(s) have cast votes)

Should the UK take military action against the Syrian regime

  1. Yes (9 votes [16.67%])

    Percentage of vote: 16.67%

  2. No (36 votes [66.67%])

    Percentage of vote: 66.67%

  3. Undecided (9 votes [16.67%])

    Percentage of vote: 16.67%

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#16 Ironwithin

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Posted 05 September 2015 - 09:42 AM

I think we should not be interfering and allow Assad to win, as although not the nicest of regimes, he kept law and order. Look at the chaos and death brought about from removing Saddam and Gaddafi, I would argue that in the long term it would have been better if we did not get involved and had left them in power as although some of their people may have suffered under them they kept order and a lot of the people are actually worse off now.
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#17 daveh

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Posted 06 September 2015 - 05:30 PM

Ironwithin - how many people suffering under these brutal dictators do you deem to be an acceptable level?



#18 Ironwithin

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Posted 06 September 2015 - 05:36 PM

Ironwithin - how many people suffering under these brutal dictators do you deem to be an acceptable level?


It seems more people are suffering now. Those dictators were not good people but unfortunately sometimes it's better the devil you know. The world is not perfect.
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#19 Suffererof1crankymofo

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Posted 06 September 2015 - 05:54 PM

How many Syrian refugees are the USA taking in?  Last report I read they had taken in 1,500 since the beginning of the Syrian civil war.  That's pitiful.

 

And what about Israel?

 

Just how are the refugees being 'distributed'?  Why are some not seeking shelter in the first country they land in and choosing to travel further afield? 


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#20 George.

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Posted 06 September 2015 - 06:17 PM

How many Syrian refugees are the USA taking in?  Last report I read they had taken in 1,500 since the beginning of the Syrian civil war.  That's pitiful.

 

And what about Israel?

 

Just how are the refugees being 'distributed'?  Why are some not seeking shelter in the first country they land in and choosing to travel further afield? 

 

The U.S will do all the shouting and marching around, issuing orders to all and sundry but they will look after themselves first. Israel, well they're not far off playing the same game. Check  http://www.telegraph...n-refugees.html and see how they prefer to consider themselves first, too.


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#21 daveh

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Posted 06 September 2015 - 08:31 PM

Why exactly is this migrant crisis being seen as a problem for only Europe? It is surely a situation that the UN should stress is for the world to deal with.
Thus, with the vastness of their countries, the UN should bring Australia, U.S., Canada and Russia into the solution.
Whereas the UK has stood up to be counted and given billions annually in foreign aid to so many other countries, the aforementioned 4 countries should now do their bit. It is unacceptable for them to opt out.

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Posted 06 September 2015 - 08:41 PM

Ma'be daveh it is the millions that have been given in good faith as aid ,that are funding the wars which are createing the human crisis that we are all witnessing today :ponders:



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Posted 07 September 2015 - 10:40 AM

Why exactly is this migrant crisis being seen as a problem for only Europe? It is surely a situation that the UN should stress is for the world to deal with.
Thus, with the vastness of their countries, the UN should bring Australia, U.S., Canada and Russia into the solution.
Whereas the UK has stood up to be counted and given billions annually in foreign aid to so many other countries, the aforementioned 4 countries should now do their bit. It is unacceptable for them to opt out.

 

Dear daveh 

 

Thank goodness we have people like you, people who proactively strive to take the initiative and lead by example, from the front, holding people to account with pertinent questions succinctly put,  in the appropriate place.  Many people in your position would simply moan, anonymously, on an unrelated and obscure internet blog.  Rest assured daveh I will immediately order the USA, Australia, Canada, and Russia to commence with the foreign aid straight away. Do you know, I believe they might just have got away with opting out of the foreign aid thing if it wasn't for you bringing this to my attention. Utterly unacceptable. You know daveh, I never have trusted that Obama, as soon as my back is turned, there he is, opting out of refugee solutions. And Putin!, don't get me started on that rascal, just how many refugees could he take, have you checked the size of the Siberian cold steppe recently? Well Vladimir I can tell you that I have and you could fit the whole of Syria, Iraq, and Eritrea in there and still have room for more. I will, of course be instructing Dave Cameron he can cancel the UK foreign aid program effective immediately. I will also look into getting the past 40 years worth of foreign aid the UK has paid out(quite unfairly)  refunded.  As you quite correctly observe the UK does far too much, and there is no room for anymore people in the UK anyway.  Its such a small country after all and there is very little in the way of desert, badlands or icy tundra where refugees ( if they even are refugees probably just looking for free glasses from the NHS) could be sensibly accommodated. 

 

You know daveh I think I might order King Harald V to give you the Nobel peace prize, I'm sick of him giving it to foreigners when there are plenty of deserving Brits like you.

 

Anyway thank you for your time, I know you're probably busy, writing letters, achieving stuff, and that, so I'll go for now. 

 

Ban 'The Man' Ki-moon.

 

ps pity you never got rid of those bludgeing Jocks at the referendum. Better luck next time.



#24 wotsit

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Posted 07 September 2015 - 04:40 PM

Hi,

 

Looking at the T.V footage, 90% of these refugees seem or appear to be male between the ages of 20-40 yrs. Where are all the women and children and elderly  which I was expecting,  family units ??

Or are some jumping on the bandwagon looking for work in the EU.

I'm all for helping genuine refugees of a certain number, because lets face it Britain is only very small and we can only realistically cope  with a set number.

But once all the Syrians are in Germany they would be free then to move around the EU at will, straight for Britain's benefit system.



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Posted 07 September 2015 - 05:18 PM

wotsit  if you have been watching tv you should know  howmany refugees  turkey got turkey just got 2.5 millon  refugees wich is we are happy the help nobody will leave home for no reason  pls see bigger picture



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Posted 07 September 2015 - 05:32 PM

Hi,

 

Turkey is at least 3 times the size of the  UK and I'm positive they will not stay in Turkey. Yes people do leave home with good reason, economic being one of them.

Whilst I do feel strongly we should help to a point, 20,000 is going to far for the UK to handle, that is size of a small town with all it's infrastructure which has to be accommodated. Our NHS, benefit system and  education is already very strained as it is.

 

Unless we manage to stop ALL other migrants coming into UK..

 

You have to rule with your head as well as your heart.



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Posted 07 September 2015 - 07:02 PM

Turkey is 9 times the size of the UK with twice the population. However the UK is one of the wealthiest countries in the world and Scotland is massively underpopulated. Taking in a million would be do-able. As a socialist I would quite happily pay extra taxes to support bringing in refugees. If we lead the world by example it will not only shame others but will knock any moral feet from under the group of thugs who claim to be Islamists. . we are aa Jock Thamsons barns.

Edited by Wheelsup, 07 September 2015 - 07:04 PM.


#28 wotsit

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Posted 07 September 2015 - 08:03 PM

Hi,

 

I am not saying we should not help, however if your willing to pay extra taxes to accommodate more refugees, why not help Britain's own people living rough on the streets many there through no fault of their own. Some people are getting attacked on the streets sleeping rough.

 

If we are such a rich country why is the NHS in such a state, how is your million going affect the infrastructure of Britain and eg NHS waiting list ,maternity services and the like.

If we take in a million odd refugees I do not think it will shame other countries. They will think Britain is a fool and if your happy to do this they will let it happen.

Britain is struggling as it is, some cannot afford to pay extra in taxes, it will throw us back into another recession and Britain will no longer be Britain.

We will become the dumping ground for every sob story across the world.

 

We have to draw a line somewhere. Help where we can with a sensible approach.

 

There nearly 23 million people in Syria.What happens if they all want to leave where are they going?

Then you start with the next country, anywhere where there is a conflict. Where do you stop?

 

It sounds hard and uncaring, whilst as I said Britain  should help which we can to a point within it's limitations.

 

It is a nice idea to be so charitable but you have to be also realistic

I think over time people will start to resent the refugees if too many enter, we already have an immigration problem now, which is why we are trying to cut immigration.

There are no easy answers.It does need very careful consideration.


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#29 Colin

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Posted 07 September 2015 - 08:14 PM

Not unsympathetic and, Socialism is just fine...  Until you run out of somebody else's money to spend...

 

From what I see on the news, it's almost as if the west was being invaded..  No Jack Boots this time but, the result is looking pretty much the same.. 

It's almost as if some of the refugees(?) are acting as if they have a "right" to enter the EU..

 

No idea what the solution is but, someone has got to come up with one.



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Posted 07 September 2015 - 08:20 PM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34179450

 

Slightly off topic but, I wonder how many other families have been left "devastated" by the actions of this "buckaroo" and others like him.

Happy enough to pose with an AK47 or similar but, lots of "bleating" when they get hurt/killed..

 

No sympathy whatsoever...