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#1 Colin

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Posted 25 January 2014 - 08:52 PM

Don't quite know where to post this link.

 

Not vey PC but, funny anyway.

 

http://www.huffingto...l?utm_hp_ref=uk


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#2 Infiltrator

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Posted 27 January 2014 - 10:00 PM

 
Not vey PC but, funny anyway.
 


Sums up UKIP nicely that...

This is quite good as well.



#3 Gorgonzola Butt-cheese

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Posted 27 September 2014 - 09:59 AM

From the papers today........

See a video of Mr Farage's speech on the UKIP web-site.

The speech that the BBC has suppressed.

It was an object lesson to Ed Miliband, in how to look relaxed.

 

The large audience looked a good cross-section of all age groups.

Farage is quoted as saying in this speech, "the minimum wage has become the maximum wage". Bloody good point, when are socialists going to fight the truth in that statement? or where are the socialists who can fight such a statement?. Not in leadership of this current Labour party that's for sure.



#4 Colin

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Posted 27 September 2014 - 12:24 PM

Always said that the minimum wage would become to 'going rate'.

 

Trouble is that it is pitched to low and does not keep up with inflation.  As a result, those (with families) who only earn the minimum are forced into claiming benefits.  Doesn't matter how you look at this, it netts down to tax payers subsidising employers which, imho, is just plain wrong.

 

The minimum wage should be a 'living wage'.



#5 brian.smith

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Posted 27 September 2014 - 01:00 PM

The minimum wage has done more than anything else to increase youth unemployment

#6 Colin

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Posted 27 September 2014 - 03:02 PM

The minimum wage has done more than anything else to increase youth unemployment

Are you saying that 'youth' should work for peanuts?

 

PS;

You might not have noticed but, there is already provision to pay those below a certain age at a lower rate....



#7 Gorgonzola Butt-cheese

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Posted 27 September 2014 - 03:54 PM

http://www.bbc.com/n...litics-29394697

 

Labour would need to get clear of Miliband , he is a liability.

But the trouble is the rest of them are also a bunch of goons , they have not been Labour for a long time..


Edited by Gorgonzola Butt-cheese, 27 September 2014 - 03:59 PM.


#8 brian.smith

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Posted 27 September 2014 - 04:20 PM

The minimum wage has done more than anything else to increase youth unemployment

Are you saying that 'youth' should work for peanuts?
 
PS;
You might not have noticed but, there is already provision to pay those below a certain age at a lower rate....

I ran a business for over 20 years I always propmoted from within and hired young people over the years it became harder and harder to maintain this not allowed to advertise for office juniors etc we used training agencys to try and get round it but it was a nightmare.

My senior staff were the best paid in town and they all came up through the firm we never used training schemes, YTS work trial we always started them on a decent wage. My comment is not without experiance on the subject Colin but the whole minimum wage thing I think is perverse all that happens is firms cut staff in order to keep operating so it was a double edged sword we lost good staff all the time to public sector as they didnt have to make money at the end of the day we did but what goes around comes around most of them lost their jobs in the public sector cuts.

Doesnt matter what way you look at it we the tax payer or customer pay for it

Edited by brian.smith, 27 September 2014 - 04:25 PM.

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#9 Colin

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Posted 27 September 2014 - 07:35 PM

Brian,

 

My eyes are bleeding after trying to read your missive.

 

OK so you ran a business for 20 years or so.

You think that it is OK to exploit your younger workers and, you think it's OK for the tax payers to subsidise your operations.

 

Nuff said.



#10 Suffererof1crankymofo

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Posted 27 September 2014 - 08:01 PM

Colin, I think you're being a tad unfair on Brian.

 

It seems to me that some folk think that all businesses are completely loaded.   So Colin, do you think it's fair that a business owner could be earning less than the minimum wage but be expected to pay everyone on their books the minimum wage?

 

Isn't there talk of making the minimum wage £10 per hour?  That's crazy, many businesses won't be able to afford it.  Profit margins are already being squeezed and businesses pass their costs onto their customers (if possible, some can't due to competition from overseas) ... before you know it, inflation bites and hey ho, the £10 isn't worth what it was previously.



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Posted 27 September 2014 - 09:04 PM

Of course I was being 'unfair' but, it's gotten kind of quiet around here the last couple of days <G>

 

Having said that, Brian made a statement and, I just wanted some clarification.


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#12 brian.smith

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Posted 28 September 2014 - 10:05 AM

Brian,
 
My eyes are bleeding after trying to read your missive.
 
OK so you ran a business for 20 years or so.
You think that it is OK to exploit your younger workers and, you think it's OK for the tax payers to subsidise your operations.
 
Nuff said.

Clearly you have no concept of how a business functions Colin. You have a structure personally I preferred to include in the structure the employment of young people straight from school. Only then did they decide which path within that business they found interesting and wished to follow. Staff numbers 20 years ago were around were 30 when I left two years ago they were down to 9 this was mainly caused by the whole wage structure being destroyed by the minimum wage and other enforced overheads being increased. Businesses will cut there cloth to match and in my experiance staff numbers suffered as we didnt have the luxury of increasing prices. So its all very well governments buming on about living wage and minimum wage it is there actions that have got us into the price/wage fight that we are in now

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Posted 28 September 2014 - 10:29 AM

snip...

 

Isn't there talk of making the minimum wage £10 per hour?  That's crazy, many businesses won't be able to afford it.  Profit margins are already being squeezed and businesses pass their costs onto their customers (if possible, some can't due to competition from overseas) ... before you know it, inflation bites and hey ho, the £10 isn't worth what it was previously.

The minimum wage increase is not to £10 but £8. The benefits of paying a good wage far outweighs paying a poor wage, as we know, currently, most of those claiming housing benefits are employed or retired. So, business is being subsidised by the tax payer anyway. I would rather the better wage and pension to the employee and the cost of that taken from the sometimes high rates businesses have to pay.

 

The happier the employee, the more they will be willing to do better. Of course there will be a few who are shirkers, they survive because of poor management and that only.



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Posted 28 September 2014 - 11:28 AM

 

 
Clearly you have no concept of how a business functions

 

:rofl:



#15 brian.smith

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Posted 28 September 2014 - 01:07 PM

snip...

 
Isn't there talk of making the minimum wage £10 per hour?  That's crazy, many businesses won't be able to afford it.  Profit margins are already being squeezed and businesses pass their costs onto their customers (if possible, some can't due to competition from overseas) ... before you know it, inflation bites and hey ho, the £10 isn't worth what it was previously.

The minimum wage increase is not to £10 but £8. The benefits of paying a good wage far outweighs paying a poor wage, as we know, currently, most of those claiming housing benefits are employed or retired. So, business is being subsidised by the tax payer anyway. I would rather the better wage and pension to the employee and the cost of that taken from the sometimes high rates businesses have to pay.
 
The happier the employee, the more they will be willing to do better. Of course there will be a few who are shirkers, they survive because of poor management and that only.

where do uou think the costs of increasing the minimum wage will go Peat?

Edited by brian.smith, 28 September 2014 - 01:08 PM.

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