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#1 RileyBKing

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Posted 01 October 2015 - 08:35 PM

I note another flight safety incident today involving a Saab 340 operated by Loganair on behalf of Flybe, this one a charter flight from Aberdeen to Rotterdam, fortunately without any injury.

 

There do seem to me to have been a disproportionate number of flight incidents in recent times, only one of which that I recall being under the "Act of God" variety, i.e. a lightning strike last December. I do wonder whether there is a maintenance issue, or whether the planes are simply getting old.

 

I think it would be helpful if some light could be shed on this subject.



#2 Scorrie

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Posted 02 October 2015 - 08:09 AM

I note another flight safety incident today involving a Saab 340 operated by Loganair on behalf of Flybe, this one a charter flight from Aberdeen to Rotterdam, fortunately without any injury.

 

There do seem to me to have been a disproportionate number of flight incidents in recent times, only one of which that I recall being under the "Act of God" variety, i.e. a lightning strike last December. I do wonder whether there is a maintenance issue, or whether the planes are simply getting old.

 

I think it would be helpful if some light could be shed on this subject.

 

 

Rather than wondering if there are 'maintenance' or airworthiness issues - perhaps you could enlighten us regarding the 'disproportionate number of flight incidents'?

 

ie: evidence to support your opinion.



#3 RileyBKing

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Posted 02 October 2015 - 08:33 AM

www.aeroinside.com/incidents/airline/loganair

 

8 incidents + 1 yesterdays in less than 18 months.



#4 JustMe

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Posted 02 October 2015 - 09:38 AM

This should show the age of Loganair's fleet  http://www.airfleets...te/Loganair.htm



#5 RileyBKing

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Posted 02 October 2015 - 11:14 AM

Plus another Thursday, engine shut down in flight from Kirkwall.



#6 Wheelsup

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Posted 02 October 2015 - 12:34 PM

on time flights down from 95% to 75% in the last couple of years, "technical faults" being blamed. that is a maintenance issue surely which would mean lack of engineering and/or lack of spares. Ages is less important. as all components have planned replacement schedules. . i.e brooms and handles.



#7 Colin

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Posted 02 October 2015 - 03:06 PM

Look on the bright side..  They've ALWAYS managed to get them back on the ground.... :razz:


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#8 Wheelsup

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Posted 02 October 2015 - 04:45 PM

Gravity
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#9 Scorrie

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Posted 04 October 2015 - 07:27 AM

www.aeroinside.com/incidents/airline/loganair

 

8 incidents + 1 yesterdays in less than 18 months.

 

OK, so we have a list of reportable incidents.

 

In itself, it is meaningless unless it is compared to other airlines on a like for like basis. So what we need is a calculation that takes into account how many aircraft are operated by companies, how many incidents are recorded across the fleet and then convert this into a incident percentage figure. Then we need to categorise these incidents into weather related, pilot error or mechanical/electrical failure.

We can then compare these figures across companies and come up with a set of statistics that either prove or disprove your concerns.

 

Until that takes place, everything is pure conjecture.


Edited by Scorrie, 04 October 2015 - 07:28 AM.


#10 Colin

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Posted 04 October 2015 - 10:23 AM

As opposed to "statistics" :ponders:



#11 Scorrie

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Posted 05 October 2015 - 07:29 AM

As opposed to "statistics" :ponders:

 

That went over my head, Colin, (unlike a Logan Air flight it would seem :razz:  )

 

Do you mean the linky is giving statistics already? If so, I've missed them. I thought it was just listings without any statistics regarding size of fleet/incident ratios.

 

Or am I just being a bit thick...again..... ?



#12 gafynandrew

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Posted 05 October 2015 - 09:10 PM

I think it was an old US Navy Submarine skipper who was talking to a US Navy pilot about his concerns about being aboard a submarine for the first time, who said 'Son, don't worry.  There are more planes in the sea than submarines in the sky' :)


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#13 Infiltrator

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Posted 08 October 2015 - 06:05 PM

Thistle airways to the rescue...perhaps?

Loganair reliability being discussed on this forum;

http://www.pprune.or...ic-failure.html

Be careful how much you read into some of the posts, the egos and politics on PPRUNE make Shetlink look like a well balanced friendly forum...

#14 Ghostrider

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Posted 08 October 2015 - 06:26 PM

Thistle airways to the rescue...perhaps?

 

As opposed to 'Thistle (maybe do) Airways', which is what we currently seem to have.



#15 Wheelsup

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Posted 09 October 2015 - 01:15 AM

Thistle Airways with ATR's? Sacre Bleu! Nice fast aircraft, see them in a lot of shorthaul routes. Slightly more prone to crosswind probs maybe, but have been well tested at Sumburgh in the past. 46 or 72 seaters.



#16 RileyBKing

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Posted 27 October 2015 - 06:31 PM

Well if even the Loganair pilots are now going on record with their concerns, I would respectfully suggest my raising this subject amounts to a bit more than "conjecture"
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Posted 27 October 2015 - 08:10 PM

if they say they are not safe should they fly them. very concerning 



#18 Wheelsup

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Posted 28 October 2015 - 06:08 PM

"Well if even the Loganair pilots are now going on record with their concerns, I would respectfully suggest my raising this subject amounts to a bit more than "conjecture"

 

Unfortunately you've been proved right, RileyBKing. They were so good when they first started.Maybe they've been expanding too fast,  



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Posted 28 October 2015 - 08:51 PM

if they say they are not safe should they fly them. very concerning 

I kind of think that it has not got to that stage yet but the pilots are going public before one has to refuse to fly.  Sounds to me that maintenance standards are slipping within Loganair and with planes as old as the Saab that is not a good thing.



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Posted 28 October 2015 - 09:46 PM

Its only the "bus drivers" that are moaning so far, and like many drivers a lot of them haven't a clue what is genuinely unsafe to continue using and what is just a harmless inconvenience to the user. Just wait until the mechanics start whining that they're having to sign off on things they know they shouldn't, then you know its definitely time to take the boat.