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#301 Scorrie

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Posted 03 December 2017 - 06:35 PM

But.

 

We never asked for direct military assistance from the US, so the only thing good 'ole Uncle Sam was guilty of was a bit of political fence-sitting.

Believe me, as someone who has the South Atlantic medal with rosette I'd be among the most vociferous when it came to giving the Yanks a kicking if I thought there was justifiable reason.  :thmbsup


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#302 Colin

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Posted 03 December 2017 - 06:45 PM

Give the Yanks a break here..

 

They sold aircraft/ships etc to Argentina and, they sold us the kit to take them out..

 

Seems, to me, that they were pretty even handed throughout.. :rofl:

 

The French, on the other hand, just sold stuff to Argentina.  America's original "special relationship" doing what it does best ie, anything that opposes British Interests.



#303 Scorrie

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Posted 03 December 2017 - 07:22 PM

Not that simple, Colin

 

The Argentine navy had two type 42 destroyers that were built and supplied by us, the same warship type that I served on down there. The 1000lb bomb that hit our ship and nearly did for me and more than a few of my oppos was British made and supplied.

 

The Belgrano was an old US cruiser, I'm pretty sure the ARA San Luis sub was German, the 25th Of May carrier was British built and bought off the Dutch navy, their main soldiers rifle was the FN SLR (Belgian IIRC) etc...etc..etc............


Edited by Scorrie, 03 December 2017 - 07:22 PM.

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#304 Colin

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Posted 03 December 2017 - 08:37 PM

What a tangled web we weave...


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#305 tiodylb17

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Posted 04 December 2017 - 12:13 PM

check uk petition 200165

 

Only 34 signatures from Orkney and Shetland.


Edited by tiodylb17, 04 December 2017 - 12:15 PM.


#306 Mr.Brown

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Posted 04 December 2017 - 02:27 PM

^How do you go about doing that T?

#307 George.

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Posted 04 December 2017 - 02:31 PM

check uk petition 200165

 

Only 34 signatures from Orkney and Shetland.

 

If you check the Petition Map that covers the petition for Leave the EU immediately, you'll see that Shetland and Orkney have a slightly higher figure than average, north of the border. How many people are aware of the petition that is taking place is the question, though.


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#308 Mr.Brown

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Posted 04 December 2017 - 02:34 PM

Cheers George, will check it out.

#309 Mr.Brown

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Posted 04 December 2017 - 02:55 PM

Just had a look (at the petition site). If 35 signatures is as a percentage higher than other Scottish constituencies, I guess it could be because the majority of Scotland didn't vote for leaving the EU. But anyone who wants to get support for a petition on any subject has the onus of drumming up the publicity on themselves I suppose.

#310 George.

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Posted 04 December 2017 - 03:51 PM

35 signatories across Shetland and Orkney works out at about 0.08% of the constituency voting to leave now. Ok, the poll runs for another three months so one or two more might vote leave but that won't help. When we finally shake hands with Europe and say goodbye, I would bet that Westminster hands the EU a couple of sweeteners. One of those may well be related to fishing areas. That could mean that Shetland doesn't get its fishing industry resurrected as a lot of people are hoping now.

 

It may well be beneficial if the person that started this, Jack Taylor, was to make an effort to put Leave the EU immediately out for the public to see a little more clearly.


Edited by George., 04 December 2017 - 03:52 PM.


#311 tiodylb17

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Posted 04 December 2017 - 04:54 PM

I signed it today did anyone else ?



#312 George.

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Posted 04 December 2017 - 05:20 PM

:thmbsup



#313 Urabug

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Posted 04 December 2017 - 07:37 PM

Has May been DUPed,will it be back to the ballot box soon !



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Posted 05 December 2017 - 06:31 AM

Has May been DUPed,will it be back to the ballot box soon !

Well if we end up with another general election sooner rather than later I hope we can get another referendum on leaving the EU at the same time. 


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#315 Urabug

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Posted 05 December 2017 - 11:00 AM

 

Has May been DUPed,will it be back to the ballot box soon !

Well if we end up with another general election sooner rather than later I hope we can get another referendum on leaving the EU at the same time. 

 

The obvious stranglehold that the EU had on us and is imposing on us is now becoming clearer everyday so I can only assume that those of us who are, and many more who are now beginning to be aware of this situation would vote accordingly, few surely can want to remain under the dictatorship of Brussels.

 

If I wanted to be ruled from Europe then I should live on the other side of the English channel but I live in the UK so I am under British rule. 

 

Yes possibly another vote would be helpful now that we the public are beginning to unravel all the complexities associated with getting out of the EU.and those of remaining.



#316 Mr.Brown

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Posted 05 December 2017 - 03:23 PM

I do know a couple of people who voted against Scottish independence who have since told me that they may have voted for it if the EU referendum had come first. Some also may feel that if they wanted Westminster to run their lives even partially, they would live south of the border. The fact is yes the majority of the UK (that chose to vote) as a whole, voted leave but the majority (again that chose to vote) of Scotland voted stay (in the EU). We are not just an area, we are a country. It just doesn't sit right with some of us that a whole country can be ignored. I personally think that another vote would be more beneficial than harmful whatever the result as we all have more information now.

#317 George.

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Posted 05 December 2017 - 07:21 PM

I personally think that another vote would be more beneficial than harmful whatever the result as we all have more information now.

 

If we have another vote, it shows just how much the first vote was worth. That tells you how much the second vote would be worth, and the third, fourth etc.


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#318 Scorrie

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Posted 05 December 2017 - 07:21 PM

I don't buy the idea that we should hold referendums until the situation changes to suit the current 'losing' side. Had the vote gone the other way, would anyone currently demanding another referendum even remotely consider or tolerate a second referendum? Absolutely no chance.....

 

Just like the Indy ref, there was a lot of bullpoopery on both sides - with ridiculous amounts of insults being hurled around at anyone who didn't agree with this or that opinion. At the end of the day, just like the Indy ref, the votes have been counted and the people have spoken.


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#319 George.

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Posted 05 December 2017 - 08:02 PM

Must admit, I wouldn't complain if IndyRef 2 was to happen relatively soon, though. There is a chance that we could get Westminster off our backs.



#320 Mr.Brown

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Posted 05 December 2017 - 08:46 PM

I'm personally not seeking IndyRef 2 (or more) to get my desired outcome. In the end I will live with whatever that is or accept that I will have to move if I find I can't. I would just like to be able to believe that our political system is carried out in as fair as possible a manner, I don't think that is unreasonable. There was certainly a lot of scaremongering & nonsense spoken in the run up to the referendum & I for one actually felt quite ashamed & even embarrassed of our politics. I imagine that any other country keeping up with us on their news must have looked at the UK in the same way that some of us (me definitely) now look at the USA.