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#21 MuckleJoannie

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Posted 31 January 2016 - 11:13 PM

What a LOAD OF CRAP - Muckle Joannie ! Who are you ? Jonathon Will's ?

How prosperous is their fisheries compared to the Uk as a whole ?

Back up your sweeping statements with real facts why dont you !!

Their fishing industry is the major area where Norway prospers outwith the EU. However from the Daily Telegraph

http://www.telegraph...or-Britain.html

 

 

"We are the most obedient of EU members, rapidly implementing directives to the letter, yet we have no say in them," said Marit Warncke, who heads Bergen's chamber of commerce. "We are sitting outside in the corridors, instead of being at the decision table."

Nor is membership of the EEA without costs, she points out. Through it, Norway contributes €340 million a year to the EU – despite neither being a member, nor having any voting rights.

 

The Guardian

http://www.theguardi...costs-thinktank

 

Open Europe, which campaigns for major reforms in Britain’s relationship with the EU, says that the UK would still have to uphold the “most burdensome EU rules” if it was to adopt what is known as the Norway option.

The BBC

http://www.bbc.co.uk...siness-35354288

 

 

OSO Hotwater is a maker of central heating boilers just outside Oslo, and a few years ago it woke up to a nightmare. Overnight it discovered that the EU was introducing new environmental and energy efficiency standards that favoured gas powered boilers over electric ones.

As OSO's boss Sigurd Braathen told me he did the calculations and realised that half of Oso's products would soon be useless: unsaleable.

Now, as Norway is not a member of the EU, it has no say over these or any other EU rules. It can lobby against them, but it does not sit round the table when they are proposed, discussed, amended, debated, or voted into law. The consequences can be huge.

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#22 Staney Dale

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Posted 31 January 2016 - 11:56 PM

^ Not entirely sure, Muckle Joannie, why you bothered responding to someone who hasn't the brains to have a courteous debate or back up their own 'argument' with coherent facts. But well done you anyway.
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#23 Gorgonzola Butt-cheese

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Posted 01 February 2016 - 04:10 AM

My coherent fact Mr Staney Dale is that I spent years dumping hundreds of thousands of pounds worth of good edible fish to live within E.U. law and then had to leave the industry penniless due to that management regime which continues to destroy large quantities of Shetland's food resource to this day.

 

Mr Joannies various establishment  tabloid examples fails at this first particular hurdle - Why if Norway , with their excellent infrastructure, high level of social services and control over their vast marine resources, are struggling so with E.U law do they not join ??

Please furnish me with the coherent facts you have accumulated thanks to your superior I.Q. and intellect.


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#24 wilks

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Posted 01 February 2016 - 09:43 AM

^ Google "Norway and EU", no superior I.Q. or intellect required.



#25 Urabug

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Posted 01 February 2016 - 11:48 AM

I'm not convinced that leaving the EU is the answer but we certainly require a better deal .

 

What would our fathers and forefathers who fought in the wars for the freedom of Britain think of being controlled by over paid bureaucrats in Brussels ! 

 

I think of the EU a bit like my home and car insurance. I pay dearly for it with the hope I never need it and with that thoughts in mind should we demand some funding from the EU to provide  better links to the Islands I see no reason we should not get it..

 

After all the EU has the money --do'es Holyrood or Westminster !



#26 Colin

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Posted 01 February 2016 - 01:05 PM

"I'm not convinced that leaving the EU is the answer but we certainly require a better deal ."

 

You might be right but, getting a better deal is totally dependent on the other participents being willing to offer one and, so far, I see no signs of that happening particularly as the SNP seem hell bent on undermining any moves to the contrary.

 

The only solution I can see is too leave and then, if they still want our fish etc, negotiate a new deal from a position of strength.  If they don't want our fish (and other resources) then, sell them to someone else..  The world NEEDS food and oil.


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#27 Redrobbie99

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Posted 01 February 2016 - 01:28 PM

http://www.dailymail...acceptable.html



#28 Capeesh

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Posted 20 February 2016 - 08:24 PM

Should we remain in the EU?
Should we back David Cameron and vote YES?image_zpsbjkx6e9u.jpeg
Or should we back Nigel Farage and vote NO?
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#29 tiodylb17

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Posted 20 February 2016 - 10:02 PM

We should leave , but too many scare tactics will make us stay !



#30 Redrobbie99

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Posted 20 February 2016 - 11:15 PM

http://www.theguardi...cabinet-meeting



#31 Redrobbie99

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Posted 20 February 2016 - 11:19 PM

Why are the SNP so loyal to the EU after they did everything in their power to ruin the independence referendum for the SNP ?

http://www.dailymail...nd-join-EU.html


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#32 Redrobbie99

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Posted 20 February 2016 - 11:46 PM

The government is imposing crippling austerity on the country particularly  on the poor and sick yet can find yet more billions  for the EU .   http://www.dailymail...acceptable.html


Edited by Redrobbie99, 20 February 2016 - 11:51 PM.

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#33 tiodylb17

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Posted 20 February 2016 - 11:49 PM

EU is there safety net, always nice to have someone riding shotgun ! 



#34 Ghostrider

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Posted 21 February 2016 - 03:18 AM

Get out. The EU have either destroyed/done nothing to help save the industries we had when we went in, and have brought us nothing to replce them with we argubly couldn't have achieved just fine without them.

 

Yeah, there may be rougher blips as we go through the transition of leaving, but once the dust settles we'll be in no worse a place than we re right now, and should be in a much better one. Its no different than the rougher blips we went through going in, nothing got any better than it was before we went in, things just got done that bit differently, that's all, and now being in is dragging us down.

 

The EEC/EU was aphilosophy that was worthy of examination, and we've gone as far as try it out for over 40 years. Its never really done what it said on the tin, and by all apperances things can only worsen, not better, so quit throwing good money after bad and try something else.

 

The original conception of the EEC maybe worked okayishly, and maybe it could have continued to work okayishly if it had stayed that way, but what it is now is heading for an implosion. Common sense and a quick glance at a world map soon lets you know large land masses under common control only work tolerably in practice when their greatest extent is east/west, not north/south. eg. The Yanks, Canada, Russia etc. The EU stretches from the Arctic Circle to the Med, and trying to apply the same set of rules to the Swedes, Greeks and Germans, or the Spanish, us and the Finns etc, given the vast differences between those nations, is never going to work. A small group of nations in similar latitudes probably could have worked, say, France, Germany, Belgium, Holland and maybe us an Ireland etc, but with what they have it can't, and all thats been happening these last twenty years is that they've been trying to stop what they have from falling apart, and now is the time to quit even that as its failed too in the end.

 

Once a whole starts becoming unstable, the usual form is that the periphieries detach first as they have the weakest connection to the core. Greece, Spain, Italy, Portugal, Sweden and Finland are peripheries due to their locations at the northern and southern ends, us and Ireland are peripheries due to being island nations. Greece has all but committed suicide by opting to stay in, Spain isn't exctly doing sh*t hot with staying either, things aren't exactly a bed of roses in Merkel's "Motherland" or some of her buffer satellite nations, the writing is on the wall, time we were gone while we're still able to exit on our terms and survive, so as not end up in the same hole as Greece.


Edited by Ghostrider, 21 February 2016 - 03:25 AM.

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#35 Gorgonzola Butt-cheese

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Posted 21 February 2016 - 08:42 AM

The collapse of the E.U. has already begun, all across Europe people are flocking to the anti E.U parties, the most recent and extreme of those being PERGIDA which is worrying.

The E.U. leaders brought this on themselves due to the undemocratic nature of the commission and the extravagant Champagne lifestyles they all enjoy.



#36 Gorgonzola Butt-cheese

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Posted 21 February 2016 - 08:48 AM

Lets get a Shetland Poll going , it is apparent there will be a certain amount of Strategic voting as Scottish Nationalist will hope to trigger a second Scottish election.

Folk with solid socialist principles will be voting as David Cameron and the Royal Family suggest, strange times indeed......

 

everybody has their view ....?



#37 Capeesh

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Posted 21 February 2016 - 09:12 AM

It doesn't look like the EU member states give a toss if we stay or leave if David Cameron's "negotiations" are anything to go by.
I wonder why that is?

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#38 Redrobbie99

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Posted 21 February 2016 - 10:55 AM

Nicola Sturgeon has announced a campaign to get the English to vote to stay in the EU. Yet she has previously stated that if England ''rips'' Scotland out of the EU this would trigger the new independence referendum  she wants..So surely she should be campaigning for the English to vote to leave the EU  not to stay in.  http://www.heraldsco...English_voters/


Edited by Redrobbie99, 21 February 2016 - 10:57 AM.


#39 Redrobbie99

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Posted 21 February 2016 - 10:27 PM

Boris wants to leave .http://www.telegraph...hnson-live.html



#40 Ghostrider

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Posted 22 February 2016 - 02:48 AM

Nicola Sturgeon has announced a campaign to get the English to vote to stay in the EU. Yet she has previously stated that if England ''rips'' Scotland out of the EU this would trigger the new independence referendum  she wants..So surely she should be campaigning for the English to vote to leave the EU  not to stay in.  http://www.heraldsco...English_voters/

 

That's a typical "top position" politician for you, less integrity than a snake oil salesman.