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#1 Colin

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Posted 23 November 2016 - 08:38 AM

http://www.bbc.co.uk...nology-38068078

 

This is quite important and people should be aware of it.

 

VPN anyone?


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Posted 23 November 2016 - 09:56 AM

http://www.bbc.co.uk...nology-38068078

 

This is quite important and people should be aware of it.

 

VPN anyone?

 

Yet more proof that Westminster idolises North Korea. Surprised that they haven't nationalised all UK-based ISP's and done their best to deny access to anything international that is outwith their control.



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Posted 23 November 2016 - 11:32 AM

The web is becoming too mainstream and square, time to move on to something new. You know that by the time Big Brother has gotten around to regulating something and encouraging folk to use it, its f**ked.

 

The web of 15 years ago with everyone just winging it and using common sense was great, now its as boring as a wet Saturday afternoon shopping in Tesco with all the "control" and "safety" bull that stifles it.


Edited by Ghostrider, 23 November 2016 - 11:34 AM.

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#4 Colin

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Posted 23 November 2016 - 03:08 PM

Yep, just waiting for the first "decent, honest, law abiding people have nothing to worry about" type post when, in truth, we all have plenty to worry about.

 

If anyone is willing to give up their freedom and privacy to gain a little extra security(?) then, I would suggest that they go and line in China/N.Korea etc..


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Posted 23 November 2016 - 03:51 PM

Yeah strange old world indeed.!

 

Here we are all being encouraged to use broadband and vast sums of money is being spent to upgrade us all to a faster and a more efficient service,at the same time it is now becoming a system so insecure,and corrupt  that many of us are now beginning to wonder whether we should do anything on it at all that involves any personal details,especially financial .

 

How would we feel if strangers kept walking up our paths and kept trying there keys to see if they might gain access to our homes.

 

If the internet is to continue then every effort  must be made to ensure that our personal information is kept safe .

 

While I accept that some surveillance to protect national security and prevent terrorist threats is necessary this should be done in a manner not compromise any ones privacy.

 

I hate these establishments,like Ebay  Amazon ect that track every move you make. 

 

Ma'be time to chuck the computer out and go back to the "auld wyes"


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#6 Ghostrider

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Posted 23 November 2016 - 05:02 PM

Yep, just waiting for the first "decent, honest, law abiding people have nothing to worry about" type post....

 

Well, they'd be dead right too, *if* they consider their privacy/confidentiality is worth "nothing", which is their perogative to, after all. Me, I never claimed to be either decent or law abiding, so.....



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Posted 23 November 2016 - 08:08 PM

There is no privacy online, never has been and never will be, its just the nature of the beast. To think anything else is lunacy.

 

The fact is, nothing 99% of people do online is even remotely interesting to anyone else, so it can be argued that more privacy is gained from storing everything everybody ever does.



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Posted 23 November 2016 - 08:32 PM


While I accept that some surveillance to protect national security and prevent terrorist threats is necessary this should be done in a manner not compromise any ones privacy.

 

 

Hmm,,,  Don't you think that statement is a little contradictory? 

The only way I can see to "protect national security" on the internet would be to compromise EVERYONE'S privacy and, afaik, no self-respecting "terrorist" would use any kind of communication that could be so easily "data mined".



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Posted 23 November 2016 - 08:41 PM

There is no privacy online, never has been and never will be, its just the nature of the beast. To think anything else is lunacy.

 

The fact is, nothing 99% of people do online is even remotely interesting to anyone else, so it can be argued that more privacy is gained from storing everything everybody ever does.

I think that you might want to "swat up" on "online" as there are a number of ways to gain "privacy" or, at least, to obscure your true identity.

 

More to the point, EVERYTHING that EVERYONE does online is of interest to someone.  After all "big data" is "big business"

 

Your argument for disposing of any kind of online privacy whatsoever is more like "welcome to the goldfish bowl" where someone(?) can monitor your every movement.  Just doesn't do it for me.


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Posted 23 November 2016 - 09:48 PM

Its the internet, a network, which by default and design means anyone can view/track what anyone else on that network is doing or has done. Its just how it works. All that happens if someone thinks they are hiding in some way is that they draw attention to themselves.



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Posted 24 November 2016 - 12:09 AM

 


While I accept that some surveillance to protect national security and prevent terrorist threats is necessary this should be done in a manner not compromise any ones privacy.

 

 

Hmm,,,  Don't you think that statement is a little contradictory? 

The only way I can see to "protect national security" on the internet would be to compromise EVERYONE'S privacy and, afaik, no self-respecting "terrorist" would use any kind of communication that could be so easily "data mined".

 

Not really because we are being watched "privately" or discreetly by the authorities all the time. HMRC,Vehicle licence, banks , cameras ect ,ect and we will only find that out usually if we omit to renew something or commit a crime.



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Posted 24 November 2016 - 11:10 AM

 

 


While I accept that some surveillance to protect national security and prevent terrorist threats is necessary this should be done in a manner not compromise any ones privacy.

 

 

Hmm,,,  Don't you think that statement is a little contradictory? 

The only way I can see to "protect national security" on the internet would be to compromise EVERYONE'S privacy and, afaik, no self-respecting "terrorist" would use any kind of communication that could be so easily "data mined".

 

Not really because we are being watched "privately" or discreetly by the authorities all the time. HMRC,Vehicle licence, banks , cameras ect ,ect and we will only find that out usually if we omit to renew something or commit a crime.

 

 

And being reminded to renew, redo or provide more information is new to the internet? I always thought that they wrote to you when you were out of date on the relevant subject, and in what way are banks any form of authority. 



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Posted 24 November 2016 - 12:20 PM

George --I get reminders sometimes by post,and sometimes via  the Internet and sometimes by both and sometimes not at all.

 

Where did i say the bank had any authority,but you can be sure your accounts are being watched by HMRC from time to time.

 

If the Internet is to play such an important part in our lives then it has to be safe and secure, that unfortunately means that someone,somewhere will have to be in a position to check what we are up to whether we like it or not.

 

After all we do have to trust many people,banks,building societies.ministers,the list is endless and just occasionally unfortunately some lets us down.

 

The Internet is worth millions,and keeping thousands of people in work but if we the public stop using  it because it is no longer trustworthy,then the system is doomed to failure.so like everything else in our lives has to be properly controlled and policed if it is to continue. 



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Posted 24 November 2016 - 02:01 PM

As Spinner says - it's a network. VPNs aren't a silver bullet by any stretch. Tor? Nope. All network traffic isn't safe. By using means to try and obscure your activities you are indeed waving a big look-at-me flag and inviting a number of cores to point in your direction to see what you're doing. The best way to hide, if that's what you're wanting to do, is to do it in plain site e.g. video calling to anonymous devices from public access points for example.

 

As for going back 15 years... you were easily more open to exposure then. Things have come on since then and that has been brought by the desire to hide what you're doing not the other way round. Most terrorists have switched to writing a letter and posting it these days anyway  :mrgreen:



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Posted 24 November 2016 - 03:23 PM

As for going back 15 years... you were easily more open to exposure then. Things have come on since then and that has been brought by the desire to hide what you're doing not the other way round. Most terrorists have switched to writing a letter and posting it these days anyway  :mrgreen:

 

That was kinda my point. 15 years ago you knew what you were dealing with, a sieve, and you just didn't do or leave your crap online if you didn't want to accept the risk of it being found by others.

 

Now folk are being lulled in to a false sense of security that its all fluffy cotton wool safe because the "authorities" are regulating and monitoring it. Which we all know is the biggest bull going. If anything legislation like that mentioned in the linked report allows those with access to it a nosey around your life whenever they feel like it for whatever their reason, to do with as they please. Between ISPs, passing hackers etc already knowing what they know, I'd rather not have any more folk just wandering in and out as they please. At least ISPs, hackers etc have a certain "trustworthyness" and "honesty" to their dishonesty, they're almost certain to only really be interested in how they can profit finncially from you, with the "authorities" there is just no telling what use, and trouble they'll get up to with whatever they can get to know about you, as they prove over and over again.