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#21 Skalavagr

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Posted 01 June 2017 - 09:38 AM

Lerwick Harbour Trust has spent thousands at Dales Voe preparing a site for decommissioning work but with this new vessel that can now remove the oil rigs directly of there legs possibly I'm being sceptical but i cannot see much of that line of work coming this way.

 

The vessel in question doesn't scrap the oil rigs itself. It just removes the superstructure from the legs and transports it to a shore base in one go to be cut up and scrapped. The recent one went to Hartlepool, but I am sure Dales Voe will get the chance at the work if it can put in a competitive bid.



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Posted 01 June 2017 - 10:12 AM

Promises,promises,promises is all we hear.

 

This country is Billions of pounds in debt,also the personal debt level apparently is over £2000 per household,over and above that.

 

I would say it is a bit presumptuous to expect very much in the way of financial handouts from any party at the moment.

 

And lets remember that many of our large companies are "globally" owned so is it wise to demand extra tax from them and possibly drive them away.

 

The social care bill,there is simply no easy answer to that one,but it is unfair to use someones assets to pay for their care when someone who has been less fortunate and possibly less frugal gets the same level of care for free because they have nothing, they have squandered the lot.(good for the economy perhaps) 

 

The answer is to spend everything while one can but  most folk will want to pass something on to the next of kin, and you cannot have your cake and eat it..

 

This is one of several issues that with exception to the Tories has not been answered or very vaguely if that.

 

Sadly there are to many people wanting to much for free in a society that can no longer afford to pay its way.

 

Plenty of grouching old crofters out there with far more sense than many of our so called well educated politicians I can assure you.



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Posted 01 June 2017 - 10:55 AM

 

Lerwick Harbour Trust has spent thousands at Dales Voe preparing a site for decommissioning work but with this new vessel that can now remove the oil rigs directly of there legs possibly I'm being sceptical but i cannot see much of that line of work coming this way.

 

The vessel in question doesn't scrap the oil rigs itself. It just removes the superstructure from the legs and transports it to a shore base in one go to be cut up and scrapped. The recent one went to Hartlepool, but I am sure Dales Voe will get the chance at the work if it can put in a competitive bid.

 

Yes I am well aware this is a transport vessel only,but because everything in Shetland always costs more it is difficult to see that we can be competitive and gain much if any of this work.

 

I truly hope I am wrong but just possibly the SNP will agree to a subsidy to offset any additional costs.



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Posted 01 June 2017 - 02:11 PM

What a bunch of grouching old crofters stuck in the past and following a colour that is hated ....you will suffer when maggie may brings down the axe ..the cost living will kill the islands 

 

thatll be the same then as corbyn giving everything to everybody for free and bankrupting the country or sturgeon bleeding the islands dry to fund her central belt shortbread bagpipes and buckfast utopia

 

theyre all as bad as each other and will be as long as being a politician is considered a career instead of a vocation



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Posted 01 June 2017 - 05:12 PM

so ..you will be happy to pay ever increasing cost of transport to the Islands ...without a voice on the job the Lib Dems and their ilk will draw their salary an be a voice in the wilderness 


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Posted 01 June 2017 - 07:02 PM

Dales Voe even since it's inception way back in 1980's has promised so much and if i'm frank delivered very little. It's underutilized, it has always been.

 

Fact of the matter is any scrapping on Shetland will basically carry a double cost scenario as the scrap will have to be shipped off South adding to the bill.

 

I find it hard to believe oil companies are going to embrace that extra costs, when a straight forward trip to the Mainland will cut that out in an instant.

 

As for the SNP, well thanks to Carmichael shooting himself in the foot they'll never have a better chance to win this seat, will that guarantee lower fares?, of course not, since when do politician's keep promises...their all as bad as each other in the end.



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Posted 01 June 2017 - 07:35 PM

so ..you will be happy to pay ever increasing cost of transport to the Islands ...without a voice on the job the Lib Dems and their ilk will draw their salary an be a voice in the wilderness 

You can guarantee what ever we get with one hand will be taken back in the other no matter what politician is elected.

 

Aye been that way and aye will be.

 

I'm more worried where Scotland will find the money to pay the pensions if we God forbid , ever go independent.

 

Travel fares will be least of my troubles then as I simply will not be able to afford it, will anybody. 


Edited by Urabug, 01 June 2017 - 07:42 PM.


#28 Capeesh

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Posted 01 June 2017 - 07:41 PM

To be fair the the LibDems haven't always been a voice in the wilderness, they did get a shot in government, our own MP was a member of the cabinet, a very very important job.
Shame it was one of the worse governments in living memory.
Their policies were responsible for seeing some of his own constituents, our fellow Shetlanders, having to rely on charity to feed themselves and their kids with a huge increase in foodbank usage, they also cut disability benefit, introduced the bedroom tax, increased tuition fees in England and slashed the budget for other public services.
Not everyone lost out though, they managed to flog our Post Office for peanuts ensuring their friends and party donors made a killing, they also managed to scrape the money together (despite austerity) to give a tax cut to 13000 millionaires.
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#29 Urabug

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Posted 01 June 2017 - 07:49 PM

Dales Voe even since it's inception way back in 1980's has promised so much and if i'm frank delivered very little. It's underutilized, it has always been.

 

Fact of the matter is any scrapping on Shetland will basically carry a double cost scenario as the scrap will have to be shipped off South adding to the bill.

 

I find it hard to believe oil companies are going to embrace that extra costs, when a straight forward trip to the Mainland will cut that out in an instant.

 

 

My sentiments entirely,but it would make a perfect site for a new white fish processing unit .

 

That would make sense rather than having most of the fish pass through Shetland for processing on the mainland or where ever.

 

Possibly the location of this new fish market should be re-considered.



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Posted 01 June 2017 - 08:12 PM

To be fair the the LibDems haven't always been a voice in the wilderness, they did get a shot in government, our own MP was a member of the cabinet, a very very important job.
Shame it was one of the worse governments in living memory.
Their policies were responsible for seeing some of his own constituents, our fellow Shetlanders, having to rely on charity to feed themselves and their kids with a huge increase in foodbank usage, they also cut disability benefit, introduced the bedroom tax, increased tuition fees in England and slashed the budget for other public services.
Not everyone lost out though, they managed to flog our Post Office for peanuts ensuring their friends and party donors made a killing, they also managed to scrape the money together (despite austerity) to give a tax cut to 13000 millionaires.

And what do you think the SNP will do to balance the books if it ever gets its way with independence. They could not convince people an independent Scotland could be financially viable last time, never mind this time with much reduced oil revenue. If you think moneys tight now, god help us if they ever get their way with independence. What they're left with will all go on the central belt, Shetland won't have a look in.

We may not all agree with Alistiar Carmichael, but he's our only hope of keeping the SNP out of Shetland.
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Posted 01 June 2017 - 09:47 PM

you will be happy to pay ever increasing cost of transport to the Islands

 

no change there then

 

its always gone up never down regardless who has the helm



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Posted 01 June 2017 - 09:50 PM

without a voice on the job the Lib Dems and their ilk will draw their salary an be a voice in the wilderness 

 

who do you reckon we should vote for then

 

the snp the despised voice left out in the cold talking to themselves at westminster

 

labour the only slightly louder voice in the wilderness than the liberals

 

the tories who are the wilderness

 

ukip....

 

calamity........


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#33 Capeesh

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Posted 02 June 2017 - 04:43 AM


To be fair the the LibDems haven't always been a voice in the wilderness, they did get a shot in government, our own MP was a member of the cabinet, a very very important job.
Shame it was one of the worse governments in living memory.
Their policies were responsible for seeing some of his own constituents, our fellow Shetlanders, having to rely on charity to feed themselves and their kids with a huge increase in foodbank usage, they also cut disability benefit, introduced the bedroom tax, increased tuition fees in England and slashed the budget for other public services.
Not everyone lost out though, they managed to flog our Post Office for peanuts ensuring their friends and party donors made a killing, they also managed to scrape the money together (despite austerity) to give a tax cut to 13000 millionaires.

And what do you think the SNP will do to balance the books if it ever gets its way with independence. They could not convince people an independent Scotland could be financially viable last time, never mind this time with much reduced oil revenue. If you think moneys tight now, god help us if they ever get their way with independence. What they're left with will all go on the central belt, Shetland won't have a look in.
We may not all agree with Alistiar Carmichael, but he's our only hope of keeping the SNP out of Shetland.
The SNP has been acting as a shield from the worst of the Tory/LibDem austerity policies, our kids don't get charged to attend university, they get charged £9000 a year in England.
We don't tax the sick in Scotland, we get free prescriptions, in England they pay.
The Bedroom tax doesn't exist in Scotland thanks to the SNP.
Richard Branson and others are busy buying up chunks of the NHS with Virgincare and other private companies in England, in Scotland it remains in public hands, etc etc the list goes on.
God help us if that buffer didn't exist and we were faced with the full brunt of these policies.
I've been watching the SNP in Westminster, I would urge anyone to do the same, with Labour fighting amongst themselves and the Lib/Dems obliterated at the last election, they've been the only credible opposition in there.

Edited by Capeesh, 02 June 2017 - 04:48 AM.

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#34 Windwalker

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Posted 02 June 2017 - 06:58 AM

To be fair the the LibDems haven't always been a voice in the wilderness, they did get a shot in government, our own MP was a member of the cabinet, a very very important job.
Shame it was one of the worse governments in living memory.
Their policies were responsible for seeing some of his own constituents, our fellow Shetlanders, having to rely on charity to feed themselves and their kids with a huge increase in foodbank usage, they also cut disability benefit, introduced the bedroom tax, increased tuition fees in England and slashed the budget for other public services.
Not everyone lost out though, they managed to flog our Post Office for peanuts ensuring their friends and party donors made a killing, they also managed to scrape the money together (despite austerity) to give a tax cut to 13000 millionaires.

And what do you think the SNP will do to balance the books if it ever gets its way with independence. They could not convince people an independent Scotland could be financially viable last time, never mind this time with much reduced oil revenue. If you think moneys tight now, god help us if they ever get their way with independence. What they're left with will all go on the central belt, Shetland won't have a look in.
We may not all agree with Alistiar Carmichael, but he's our only hope of keeping the SNP out of Shetland.
The SNP has been acting as a shield from the worst of the Tory/LibDem austerity policies, our kids don't get charged to attend university, they get charged £9000 a year in England.
We don't tax the sick in Scotland, we get free prescriptions, in England they pay.
The Bedroom tax doesn't exist in Scotland thanks to the SNP.
Richard Branson and others are busy buying up chunks of the NHS with Virgincare and other private companies in England, in Scotland it remains in public hands, etc etc the list goes on.
God help us if that buffer didn't exist and we were faced with the full brunt of these policies.
I've been watching the SNP in Westminster, I would urge anyone to do the same, with Labour fighting amongst themselves and the Lib/Dems obliterated at the last election, they've been the only credible opposition in there.
Your right about them being a good buffer Capeesh and if they would get on with the day job, they would likely get my vote. It's the "independence at any cost and regardless of those who have already said we don't want it" that worries me. Scotland can't afford to be independent. If she got her way you would soon see the real side of the SNP, a country struggling to make ends meet, higher taxes and loss of services. Of course it would be someone else's fault.

I listen to debates both Westminster and Hollyrood and whilst some impress me others are about avoiding the issue like most politicians. Watching Alex Salmon on TV the other day avoiding the questions and shouting over the presenter to put his independence at any cost position across, made me wonder if they are living in the real world. His answer to the question regarding dropping education figures was that Scotland has the least youth unemployment of most countries. Well that's great, more have a job, but they're not so bright!!. That bods well for future development.

As a government I think they have got their priorities wrong and it's having an effect on the stuff they should be looking after. If they would put independence to one side and prove they can do a great job of running the country, they would likely get more votes, make the country more prosperous and who knows what the future might bring. But as long as they can't get past the independence at any cost attitude, they will not get my vote and I believe many feel the same.

Edited by Windwalker, 02 June 2017 - 07:01 AM.

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#35 Urabug

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Posted 02 June 2017 - 11:53 AM

 

 

Lerwick Harbour Trust has spent thousands at Dales Voe preparing a site for decommissioning work but with this new vessel that can now remove the oil rigs directly of there legs possibly I'm being sceptical but i cannot see much of that line of work coming this way.

 

The vessel in question doesn't scrap the oil rigs itself. It just removes the superstructure from the legs and transports it to a shore base in one go to be cut up and scrapped. The recent one went to Hartlepool, but I am sure Dales Voe will get the chance at the work if it can put in a competitive bid.

 

Yes I am well aware this is a transport vessel only,but because everything in Shetland always costs more it is difficult to see that we can be competitive and gain much if any of this work.

 

I truly hope I am wrong but just possibly the SNP will agree to a subsidy to offset any additional costs.

 

http://www.shetnews....ck----Fantasticnews and hope many more to come  :thmbsup


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Posted 02 June 2017 - 12:26 PM

Whilst the Buchan Alpha decommissioning is good news, i stand by what i said above.

 

Take this new project and the Frigg  module scrapping in 2007, that wil be two major projects in 10+ years, that's hardly setting the heather alight.

 

For the amount of money poured into Dales Voe it better deliver, and handsomely.



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Posted 02 June 2017 - 05:06 PM

Surely the buchan alpha announcement is brilliant news! Especially coming so soon after the Dales Voe development being completed. Thankfully the SNP didn't get their way over abolishing HIE or this and many other projects might never have got off the ground.

 

There's not many major projects been awarded yet so this coming to lerwick will hopefully be the start of many.


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#38 Capeesh

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Posted 02 June 2017 - 05:21 PM








To be fair the the LibDems haven't always been a voice in the wilderness, they did get a shot in government, our own MP was a member of the cabinet, a very very important job.
Shame it was one of the worse governments in living memory.
Their policies were responsible for seeing some of his own constituents, our fellow Shetlanders, having to rely on charity to feed themselves and their kids with a huge increase in foodbank usage, they also cut disability benefit, introduced the bedroom tax, increased tuition fees in England and slashed the budget for other public services.
Not everyone lost out though, they managed to flog our Post Office for peanuts ensuring their friends and party donors made a killing, they also managed to scrape the money together (despite austerity) to give a tax cut to 13000 millionaires.

And what do you think the SNP will do to balance the books if it ever gets its way with independence. They could not convince people an independent Scotland could be financially viable last time, never mind this time with much reduced oil revenue. If you think moneys tight now, god help us if they ever get their way with independence. What they're left with will all go on the central belt, Shetland won't have a look in.
We may not all agree with Alistiar Carmichael, but he's our only hope of keeping the SNP out of Shetland.
The SNP has been acting as a shield from the worst of the Tory/LibDem austerity policies, our kids don't get charged to attend university, they get charged £9000 a year in England.
We don't tax the sick in Scotland, we get free prescriptions, in England they pay.
The Bedroom tax doesn't exist in Scotland thanks to the SNP.
Richard Branson and others are busy buying up chunks of the NHS with Virgincare and other private companies in England, in Scotland it remains in public hands, etc etc the list goes on.
God help us if that buffer didn't exist and we were faced with the full brunt of these policies.
I've been watching the SNP in Westminster, I would urge anyone to do the same, with Labour fighting amongst themselves and the Lib/Dems obliterated at the last election, they've been the only credible opposition in there.
Your right about them being a good buffer Capeesh and if they would get on with the day job, they would likely get my vote. It's the "independence at any cost and regardless of those who have already said we don't want it" that worries me. Scotland can't afford to be independent. If she got her way you would soon see the real side of the SNP, a country struggling to make ends meet, higher taxes and loss of services. Of course it would be someone else's fault.
I listen to debates both Westminster and Hollyrood and whilst some impress me others are about avoiding the issue like most politicians. Watching Alex Salmon on TV the other day avoiding the questions and shouting over the presenter to put his independence at any cost position across, made me wonder if they are living in the real world. His answer to the question regarding dropping education figures was that Scotland has the least youth unemployment of most countries. Well that's great, more have a job, but they're not so bright!!. That bods well for future development.
As a government I think they have got their priorities wrong and it's having an effect on the stuff they should be looking after. If they would put independence to one side and prove they can do a great job of running the country, they would likely get more votes, make the country more prosperous and who knows what the future might bring. But as long as they can't get past the independence at any cost attitude, they will not get my vote and I believe many feel the same.
Every single constituency in Scotland voted to remain in the EU yet the UK is still heading for a hard Brexit from the European Union, that could also be described as "independence at any cost, regardless of those who have already said we don't want it".
There's no economic certainties however it pans out.

Edited by Capeesh, 02 June 2017 - 05:26 PM.


#39 Urabug

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Posted 02 June 2017 - 07:14 PM

Aberdeen played Celtic last weekend I think it was,the team with the highest score won as is normal and if my memory serves me right that was Celtic.

 

No arguments there?

 

June 23rd 2016 the whole country (UK)voted yes or no to remain or leave the EU 

 

The majority vote was to leave the EU.(Brexit). That is the way the system works

 

Why can folk not accept that and move on to the next chapter.


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#40 Windwalker

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Posted 02 June 2017 - 07:48 PM

To be fair the the LibDems haven't always been a voice in the wilderness, they did get a shot in government, our own MP was a member of the cabinet, a very very important job.
Shame it was one of the worse governments in living memory.
Their policies were responsible for seeing some of his own constituents, our fellow Shetlanders, having to rely on charity to feed themselves and their kids with a huge increase in foodbank usage, they also cut disability benefit, introduced the bedroom tax, increased tuition fees in England and slashed the budget for other public services.
Not everyone lost out though, they managed to flog our Post Office for peanuts ensuring their friends and party donors made a killing, they also managed to scrape the money together (despite austerity) to give a tax cut to 13000 millionaires.

And what do you think the SNP will do to balance the books if it ever gets its way with independence. They could not convince people an independent Scotland could be financially viable last time, never mind this time with much reduced oil revenue. If you think moneys tight now, god help us if they ever get their way with independence. What they're left with will all go on the central belt, Shetland won't have a look in.
We may not all agree with Alistiar Carmichael, but he's our only hope of keeping the SNP out of Shetland.
The SNP has been acting as a shield from the worst of the Tory/LibDem austerity policies, our kids don't get charged to attend university, they get charged £9000 a year in England.
We don't tax the sick in Scotland, we get free prescriptions, in England they pay.
The Bedroom tax doesn't exist in Scotland thanks to the SNP.
Richard Branson and others are busy buying up chunks of the NHS with Virgincare and other private companies in England, in Scotland it remains in public hands, etc etc the list goes on.
God help us if that buffer didn't exist and we were faced with the full brunt of these policies.
I've been watching the SNP in Westminster, I would urge anyone to do the same, with Labour fighting amongst themselves and the Lib/Dems obliterated at the last election, they've been the only credible opposition in there.
Your right about them being a good buffer Capeesh and if they would get on with the day job, they would likely get my vote. It's the "independence at any cost and regardless of those who have already said we don't want it" that worries me. Scotland can't afford to be independent. If she got her way you would soon see the real side of the SNP, a country struggling to make ends meet, higher taxes and loss of services. Of course it would be someone else's fault.
I listen to debates both Westminster and Hollyrood and whilst some impress me others are about avoiding the issue like most politicians. Watching Alex Salmon on TV the other day avoiding the questions and shouting over the presenter to put his independence at any cost position across, made me wonder if they are living in the real world. His answer to the question regarding dropping education figures was that Scotland has the least youth unemployment of most countries. Well that's great, more have a job, but they're not so bright!!. That bods well for future development.
As a government I think they have got their priorities wrong and it's having an effect on the stuff they should be looking after. If they would put independence to one side and prove they can do a great job of running the country, they would likely get more votes, make the country more prosperous and who knows what the future might bring. But as long as they can't get past the independence at any cost attitude, they will not get my vote and I believe many feel the same.
Every single constituency in Scotland voted to remain in the EU yet the UK is still heading for a hard Brexit from the European Union, that could also be described as "independence at any cost, regardless of those who have already said we don't want it".
There's no economic certainties however it pans out.
Yes and that's democracy, it was a U.K. vote. I voted remain, but have to accept democracy, unlike the SNP who won't. :-(