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#41 Capeesh

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Posted 02 June 2017 - 08:22 PM

Aberdeen played Celtic last weekend I think it was,the team with the highest score won as is normal and if my memory serves me right that was Celtic.
 
No arguments there?
 
June 23rd 2016 the whole country (UK)voted yes or no to remain or leave the EU 
 
The majority vote was to leave the EU.(Brexit). That is the way the system works
 
Why can folk not accept that and move on to the next chapter.

The UK is a union of different countries.
The EU is a union of different countries.
The will of the Scottish people was to remain in the UK.
The will of the Scottish people was to remain in the EU.
The democratic conundrum occurs because it's impossible to remain in both, even more complicated is the fact that there are people who voted to leave the UK who also voted to leave the EU and vice versa.
Another complication is the fact the SNP were democratically elected in the last Scottish election (which they won) on a manifesto pledge of holding another referendum if Scotland was dragged out of the EU against it's will.
Yet another complication is the democratically elected members of the Scottish parliament (all political parties) held a vote to decide if Scotland should have another referendum and they decided by parliamentary majority that they should.
So far the Tories have said they will overrule the decision of the Scottish parliament and block it, which begs the question who has the strongest democratic mandate?

#42 tirvaluk

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Posted 02 June 2017 - 09:13 PM

There was a guy asking Theresa May tonight for a second vote on Brexit as they were told a lot of lies and now they know the truth. Sound familiar. I'm sure there would be legal reasons for another vote on Europe if a legal team looked through all the lies that were told before the vote.



#43 George.

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Posted 03 June 2017 - 12:00 AM

There was a guy asking Theresa May tonight for a second vote on Brexit as they were told a lot of lies and now they know the truth. Sound familiar. I'm sure there would be legal reasons for another vote on Europe if a legal team looked through all the lies that were told before the vote.

 

When does Westminster not lie to us? When do they ever tell the truth and will they let us vote on our beliefs regarding what they call democracy?



#44 Suffererof1crankymofo

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Posted 03 June 2017 - 01:16 AM

 

 

To be fair the the LibDems haven't always been a voice in the wilderness, they did get a shot in government, our own MP was a member of the cabinet, a very very important job.
Shame it was one of the worse governments in living memory.
Their policies were responsible for seeing some of his own constituents, our fellow Shetlanders, having to rely on charity to feed themselves and their kids with a huge increase in foodbank usage, they also cut disability benefit, introduced the bedroom tax, increased tuition fees in England and slashed the budget for other public services.
Not everyone lost out though, they managed to flog our Post Office for peanuts ensuring their friends and party donors made a killing, they also managed to scrape the money together (despite austerity) to give a tax cut to 13000 millionaires.

And what do you think the SNP will do to balance the books if it ever gets its way with independence. They could not convince people an independent Scotland could be financially viable last time, never mind this time with much reduced oil revenue. If you think moneys tight now, god help us if they ever get their way with independence. What they're left with will all go on the central belt, Shetland won't have a look in.
We may not all agree with Alistiar Carmichael, but he's our only hope of keeping the SNP out of Shetland.
The SNP has been acting as a shield from the worst of the Tory/LibDem austerity policies, our kids don't get charged to attend university, they get charged £9000 a year in England.
We don't tax the sick in Scotland, we get free prescriptions, in England they pay.
The Bedroom tax doesn't exist in Scotland thanks to the SNP.
Richard Branson and others are busy buying up chunks of the NHS with Virgincare and other private companies in England, in Scotland it remains in public hands, etc etc the list goes on.
God help us if that buffer didn't exist and we were faced with the full brunt of these policies.
I've been watching the SNP in Westminster, I would urge anyone to do the same, with Labour fighting amongst themselves and the Lib/Dems obliterated at the last election, they've been the only credible opposition in there.

 

 

We don't get 'free' prescriptions.  Nothing is 'free'.  We're paying the price of 'free' prescriptions in other ways.  For example, have a read through the Health & Social Care Policy Plan 2016 by the Scottish Government, have a read through too various reports by medical professionals as to the actual 'cost' of so-called 'free' prescriptions.  The Scot. Gov. have shifted the goalposts from "free at the point of need" re healthcare to "free at the point of delivery".  The Plan refers to "One for Scotland" and they want a one size fits all approach.  They want to do away with so many health boards too.  We've seen what "One for Scotland" means for Shetland as demonstrated with the recent patient travel fares fiasco - the procurement arm of NHS Scotland negotiating a one size fits all and a somewhat confusing approach of no. of population means you get X amount in budget for travel.  The SNP have not increased allowances for years for travel, be they under the islands travel scheme or those on benefits, despite references within their Plan to "island-proofing".  They plan to have super hospital centres - think free at the point of delivery again versus care locally.  However, they intend increasing primary care locally under the ideology that if they do that, then more serious health problems won't occur resulting in secondary care in hospitals.  And if you do end up in hospital, they want as much to be done as day care and ship you back out as quickly as possible.  All there, in their Plan.  They also want more help for teenage mums from maternity.  One of the reasons why there's so many problems with the joint health board re community care and primary care between the NHS and local authorities is that they are outlining what reads like an incredulous 'wish list' with no substance - or sufficient dosh.  It's all well and good saying that they'll have X No. of extra community nurses by X year when there aren't enough people already qualified as nurses and aren't even enough places for those wanting to have a career in nursing.  Did Miriam have a hand in the maths at that one then, given she's an economic advisor?  If so, her maths is crap.  And they keep blaming Westminster DESPITE having their own tax raising powers and other powers to get dosh.

Bedroom tax - technically, if I'm understanding it correctly, it DOES still exist albeit the (was it?) Smith report made recommendations re powers that could get it abolished.  What the Scot. Gov. have done is set aside monies available to councils to make discretionary payments to those affected - that doesn't mean to say every local authority will.

The Tories are like the strict parents who don't give away pocket money willy-nilly whereas Labour and the SNP seem to want to promise the earth - no thanks.

And there's more to being an MP than what party politics you happen to ascribe to as far as I'm concerned.  AC has been a good MP to many, be it dealing with executives of BT, dealing with the two local authorities ... he's got a huge range of contacts in various gov. departments from DWP to say insurance ombudsman; his experience means that if you go to him with a problem there's a pretty good chance he's already got in mind contacts who he can 'collar' and get things fixed quickly - where's MB's list of contacts and that knowledge then?  "Time for a change" to me isn't a good enough reason to vote for her.

The SNP's record speaks for itself - a Gov. website that would probably get a place in the Guinness Book of Records as the one with the most broken links 404 errors, an award for the most non-user friendly website on the planet, a record of promising to push down ferry fares (yet MB will apparently work with them closely in 2018 for the new contract ... does it take THAT long to push down ferry fares then eh as opposed to the Gov. paying say £10 of every fare now?) and STILL not paying out monies due re agriculture.

Yes, it's time for a change, as in give the SNP a bloody nose and kick them out of Westminster.



#45 Capeesh

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Posted 03 June 2017 - 06:09 AM

^^"..The Tories are like the strict parents who don't give away pocket money willy-nilly..."
You're right there, one of the first things the Tories wanted to do in government was slash Scotlands budget by £7 Billion https://www.theguard...sh-westminister This cash raid was thwarted by the SNP which makes me wonder what kind of onslaught we would face without them looking after our interests.

Edited by Capeesh, 03 June 2017 - 06:11 AM.

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#46 Windwalker

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Posted 03 June 2017 - 07:23 AM

^^"..The Tories are like the strict parents who don't give away pocket money willy-nilly..."
You're right there, one of the first things the Tories wanted to do in government was slash Scotlands budget by £7 Billion https://www.theguard...sh-westminister This cash raid was thwarted by the SNP which makes me wonder what kind of onslaught we would face without them looking after our interests.

Your right there Capeesh and they did a good job of fighting for Scotland on that occasion. We do need an opposition who will speak up for us and fight our corner against those in Westminster. However it didn't stop the SNP slashing Shetlands budget over the last few years and before you say, as Miriam has, that Shetland gets more per head than other Scottish authorities, there had to be a reason for that in the first place. The cost of living and operating a local authority in Shetland cannot be compared with Glasgow etc.

I see these constant cuts as no other than punishment for not voting in the SNP, just as I see the delay in introducing the ferry fare reduction or funding for internal ferries being used as a bribe. The majority of Shetland people are not stupid and can see through it.

The SNP are good at talking the talk, but when it comes to walking the walk, they have taken their eye of the day job. Yes they love to give it to those at Westminster and they're like a dog with a bone regarding independence despite Scotland already saying NO, but they will avoid getting into meaningful conversation about the day to day job and how they are not using the powers they have argued for or how standards like education are falling.

You speak about the importance of the need for the SNP being a buffer against decisions made in Westminster and I fully agree, my worry though is, if they were to gain Independence, who would be Shetlands buffer. No matter how good our MP was, one voice won't carry much weight. The SNP have already shown us that we are near the bottom of their list of importance.

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Posted 03 June 2017 - 10:13 AM

^^"..The Tories are like the strict parents who don't give away pocket money willy-nilly..."
You're right there, one of the first things the Tories wanted to do in government was slash Scotlands budget by £7 Billion https://www.theguard...sh-westminister This cash raid was thwarted by the SNP which makes me wonder what kind of onslaught we would face without them looking after our interests.

You got to remember that Scotland wants to leave the UK,or at least that is the SNP view , so why would the rest of the country give two hoots about us.

 

Would you spend money on your husband or wife if they were desperate to leave you!



#48 brochbuilder

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Posted 03 June 2017 - 02:31 PM

I see Miriam Brett's slogan for this election says: "Time for change."

Considering the SNP's achievements over the last 10 years include "The curriculum for excellence"
which has proved anything but! with plummeting standards in education. The disastrous multi
million pounds computer system which has left many farmers in dire financial straits, and the
never ending push towards centralisation.

Yes Miriam, Time for change indeed, right across Scotland!
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#49 menkeeeaneahi

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Posted 03 June 2017 - 04:32 PM

I see Miriam Brett's slogan for this election says: "Time for change."

 

im getting deja vu again - does that make it deja vu deja vu

 

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