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Good News? UK to withdraw from international fishing arrangement


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#1 Colin

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Posted 02 July 2017 - 08:29 AM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40471466



#2 brian.smith

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Posted 02 July 2017 - 09:28 AM

yea but what will replace it?


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#3 George.

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Posted 02 July 2017 - 09:56 AM

The London Convention, inflicted upon us in '64, is yet more proof that Britain is about as democratic as North Korea. They call themselves a democracy too.


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Posted 02 July 2017 - 10:28 AM

yea but what will replace it?

Another "sell out of a different kind" perhaps but, it seems like it might be a golden opportunity for our own fishing industry to re-build itself.  Think of all the jobs etc that go along with it...

 

Britain (and the rest) need food so, it might be worth remembering that, during the last "unpleasantness" with our continental friends(?), one of the few things that wasn't rationed was Fish & Chips...


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Posted 02 July 2017 - 11:50 AM

Just donate all under sized fish to the schools for the kids , we have some of the richest fishing grounds here yet we cant give our children fresh fish every week !

 

disgrace !


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Posted 02 July 2017 - 03:05 PM

Further more we have allowed a massive corporation or 2 ,  where the lamb from the local supermarket is imported from New Zealand  , in an age where we are trying to be more energy efficient why aren't we ensuring both the chained supermarkets sell local eggs , meat , and vegetables and help reduce our foods carbon foot print, I know they sell fish already and one sells eggs and bread but the rest should be there to encourage growth and jobs in our farming and local industry, jobs, fresh food what is not to like ? even if it costs a bit more.


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#7 Capeesh

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Posted 02 July 2017 - 05:35 PM

Surely in their heart of hearts every fisherman in the country knows that the UK government, especially a Tory one, will sell them out in a heartbeat.
Just google Ted Heath,Tories, fishing, expendable, bargaining chip, sell out etc etc and see the results.
There's a real risk the fishermen could end up with a similar deal to the hated CFP with the double whammy of tariffs and other annoying rules and regulations stalling and making our trade with one of our biggest customers, the EU, less competitive.
I really hope I'm proved wrong but there's a paragraph in the UK government's Brexit white paper regarding fishing which doesn't fill me with confidence, here it is...
"Given the heavy reliance on UK waters of the EU fishing industry and the importance of EU waters to the UK, it is in both our interests to reach a mutually beneficial deal that works for the UK and the EU’s fishing communities. Following EU exit, we will want to ensure a sustainable and profitable seafood sector and deliver a cleaner, healthier and more productive marine environment."
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Posted 02 July 2017 - 07:49 PM

^ Any Government anywhere anytime will sell out anything or anyone in a heartbeat, that's the name of the game. A UK Government or a Tory Government is no different to any other, they'll take whatever deal looks "best" for them, from the "inside" looking out, with only as much regard for the views of the rest of us on the "outside" looking in as we force down their throats violently.

 

If any industry is sitting back on the strength of a few vague "promises" of a politician that they'll be "looked after", they arguably deserve all they will get out of that arrangement - Absolutely sweet bog all, and be charged for its delivery.

 

Anyone wanting to ensure an eevn half decent deal on anything from the politicians needs to be out there, lobbying politicians loudly, forcibly and visibly, embarrassing them in to visibly proving that they can deliver the goods, its the only way its ever worked, and probably ever will.


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Posted 06 July 2017 - 07:05 PM

The biggest problem we will face will be from politicians and media desperate to keep us in the EU at any cost. I heard a report on the BBC today warning of cream shortages by the end of the year due to the negative effects of brexit. While what is really happening is UK dairy farmers are receiving historically high prices for dairy fats, and there is now opportunity for the UK dairy in dustry to expand after years of EU enforced decline.


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Posted 06 July 2017 - 10:09 PM

According to this BBC article nobody knows what is causing the rise in milk prices, uncertainty about Brexit is just one factor among many.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk...siness-40506573

 

 

 

But it's impossible to ignore the doubling in the price of cream and butter over the past year - though no one can quite pinpoint why it's happening.
Since butter featured on the front cover of Time Magazine in 2014, its popularity has soared and demand for it is strong. In America, McDonald's has recently switched from margarine to butter. And others are following suit.
We're drinking less skimmed milk, which means there is less cream which was taken from it.
There's speculation in the UK that manufacturers are stockpiling butter and cream as the price rises - pushing it up further.
On the supply side, the National Farmers' Union says farmers are wary of upping production too much because they fear another price crash - and the uncertainty caused by Brexit.


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Posted 06 July 2017 - 10:38 PM

The BBC has become a rather dubious source for anything, especially Brexit.

ITs long past time milk prices rose, whatever the cause, you can only squeeze the raw cost so far and force the industry in to ever bigger and bigger production units as mechanised as possible, and with the last drop wrung out of every animal for the businesses running them to survive, before there's a backlash.

Leaving the EU means the EU can no longer dump cheap milk in to this country at rates less than UK producers can produce it. How this has been achieved if everybody is abiding by the letter of EU Regs is something of a mystery, but it's what's been going on now for some time....

Haven't you noticed, ever since the referendum result was in, the bigger players in UK retail have been capitalising on the perceived British Nationalism of the exit vote by pasting Union Jacks on as many products as possible, and preparing for the exit by relocating much of their product origins from EU countries back to the UK. THe tanker loads of Belgian milk coming across are going to stop, if they haven't already, just like the Belgian made pate has, and has been being sourced over here for some months.
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#12 Colin

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Posted 07 July 2017 - 05:28 AM

How many can remember the time when the UK was a "self sufficient" milk producer?  In fact, if I remember correctly, we were a nett exporter.. 

It wasn't just the fishing that was sacrificed on the altar of the artificial construct that is the EU..


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Posted 07 July 2017 - 08:57 AM

How many can remember the time when the UK was a "self sufficient" milk producer?  In fact, if I remember correctly, we were a nett exporter.. 

It wasn't just the fishing that was sacrificed on the altar of the artificial construct that is the EU..

I these were the days,used to get it delivered to the door in a bottle

 

Noo I hae tae fetch it meself.



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Posted 07 July 2017 - 12:05 PM

How many can remember the time when the UK was a "self sufficient" milk producer?  In fact, if I remember correctly, we were a nett exporter.. 

It wasn't just the fishing that was sacrificed on the altar of the artificial construct that is the EU..

 

And the Tories gave it all away to the EU, and they did it without asking what the people thought.

 

They still claim that we live in a democracy.



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Posted 07 July 2017 - 03:53 PM

^ The Tories certainly started off the trend, of that there's no dispute, but they didn't sign it all away. It's been a steady erosion by every colour who've gotten anywhere near it ever since, and that's why no politician can be trusted to take it back for us, we'll have to do that ourselves despite every one of them.

....and before someone says "Farage". Don't bother, he's as bad as the rest, he's just using us for his 15 mins, if it didn't get his mugshot and name in the headlines, he'd be giving no more fu*ks than any of the rest of them. But we're using him in return, so it's okay, as long as he serves his purpose.

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