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#21 suuusssiiieee

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Posted 28 August 2017 - 09:13 PM

All this proposed recycled "matter" makes me wonder in the long term will there be enough refuse to keep the incinerator ticking over?

 

As someone who lives in a block of flats with 5 other neighbors and one very overworked wheelie bin covering all six flats, i'm wondering how on earth a fortnightly uplift is going to be practicable for us.



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Posted 28 August 2017 - 09:54 PM

All this proposed recycled "matter" makes me wonder in the long term will there be enough refuse to keep the incinerator ticking over?

 

Well, although I am far from proficient in translating public service gibberish, I think this is the "council speak" way of answering "No" to your question.

 

 

.....the energy recovery plant to Shetland Heat Energy and Power (SHEAP).

 

A move towards greater recycling would force the plant to alter its business model to “find and use waste streams that maintain sufficient calorific content”

 

Read that as you will, but I read it as: "We're stealing a sizeable percentage of your current fuel, so you're just going to have to get out there as source some other burnable "waste".

 

Fine and well, but if I recall the current incinerator took (takes?) waste from offshore and Orkney to keep it running at optimum capacity. Sooooo, where's this other 'waste' supposed to come from seeing as it'll need a 200 mile shipping journey.....which increases its cost. So maybe burning diesel would be cheaper......Or will SHEAP have to be subsidised to exist rather than turning a profit....Or will District Heating customers have to pay over the odds for their heating....Or will SHEAP just be quietly left to fade away as "no longer economically viable"..... The "greeness" of shipping plastic and paper south, only to ship non-recycable combustibles back, or put everyone back on to diesel generated electric, is quite iffy at best.

 

All they're doing with this is jumping through Scots Govt hoops that one size most definitely must fit all, so that boxes can be ticked, common sense, logic and intelligence have all been disallowed from participating.


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#23 Urabug

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Posted 28 August 2017 - 11:12 PM

The only thing that I can see "green" about this pending project is the colour of folks faces when they have to smell and scrape up the decomposing turd of the roads and pavements ect when the inevitable spillage occurs.

 

I have had to stop several times and rescue run away bins in gale force winds, guess this might become more regular soon.


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Posted 28 August 2017 - 11:37 PM


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#25 Windwalker

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Posted 29 August 2017 - 07:26 AM

According to the report it says we will be provided with two wheelie bins. Now if one of them will be needed for general rubbish every two weeks, that leaves one for paper and cardboard or cans and plastic. Now as these item will only be collected once a month, where are we supposed to keep these item as we can't put both lots in one wheelie bin. Surely they will have to provide three bins.

What I can never understand with our council and these high paid officers, is they never seem to think through the complete process. They jump in with a half cocked idea, then try to baffle us with council gobbledygook speak, having spent hours flicking through a theasaurus to find words that they think might make them look clever.

Will they have the sense to provide brackets with the wheelie bins one for your back door and one for the collection area, this would reduce the risk of them blowing away. It might add a little to the initial cost, but might save having bins blowing over, into cars etc and rubbish blowing all over the place.

As for paying a consultancy company £63k to provide a calander of when we put out our bins, this just beggars belief. We have one of the highest staffed councils and yet they can't put a calendar together and a few adverts in the Times.

They say they don't have all the answers and there are lot of unanswered questions, but to heck with that, let's just crash ahead. I would have thought that they should have most of these answers prior to delivering the report to the councillors. Why do our councillors approve half finished work ?

Ahh ! Of course, it means that once they can't find an answer to the issue of the old couple having to drag a wheelie bin down a long gravel drive or say they don't have cash for brackets, they can say tough the policy has been approved by the council.

Get a back bone and get onto the "one size fits all" Scottish Goverment and tell them this can only go ahead if they fund brackets and additional costs to make it work. I think the so called " Island proofing" has been put in the wheelie bin just to be blown over and lost in the wind.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for recycling and the separation of our rubbish, and I think the propossed system is workable, but for heaven sake come up with some answers to the issues before approving a half solved solution.

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Posted 29 August 2017 - 07:40 AM

It will be interesting to see just how far a wheelie bin can travel in the equinox gales.
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Posted 29 August 2017 - 08:47 AM

Looks like I'll have to find space in my garage for these bins, even though there are already two cars sat in it. That's the only way I can ensure the bins don't end up in Norway. What's wrong with a black bag and the bin store? And before anyone asks, the bin store is not designed to accommodate a wheelie bin, let alone two. 



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Posted 29 August 2017 - 09:00 AM

We could have a sweepstake for the first wheelie bin to reach Norway!


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Posted 29 August 2017 - 10:19 AM

We could have a sweepstake for the first wheelie bin to reach Norway!

 

We could also take bets on whether the wheelie bins would land in Norway or the Faroes. We'd get decent odds on it.


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Posted 29 August 2017 - 12:34 PM

i live at the end of a rough croft track ...will the wheelie bin lorry come down the track to collect ....i am 76 years young and no way could i push the bins to collection at main road ...if i leave them at the main road the fishes will get the contents at the first strong wind unless the council builds a pound to hold them 


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#31 Ghostrider

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Posted 29 August 2017 - 01:08 PM

The gospel of how it will work (allegedly), according to Maggie Sandison and her deskbound minions....read 'em and weep.

 

http://www.shetland....faq.asp?fref=gc



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Posted 29 August 2017 - 01:09 PM

i live at the end of a rough croft track ...will the wheelie bin lorry come down the track to collect ....i am 76 years young and no way could i push the bins to collection at main road ...if i leave them at the main road the fishes will get the contents at the first strong wind unless the council builds a pound to hold them 

 

^^^ exactly that ^^^



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Posted 29 August 2017 - 01:12 PM

The bins will blow away!

  • There are many ways to secure wheelie bins, from bin stores to clamps/grips to bungee cord. During very bad weather all collections could be suspended and arranged for another day.

 

Pahahahaha!  What are they?  Will they be supplying the clamps/grips and bungee cord?

 

 

No. We are rolling out the new system across all of Shetland.

 

So many ways to roll in a Force 12.


Has our Maggie even been outwith Lerwick?

 

Ever?


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#34 RileyBKing

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Posted 29 August 2017 - 01:55 PM

There is a very large Public Bin Store potentially available (currently vacant) available just across the road from Mareel.

 

I'm not sure whether floor loading for wheelie bins has been calculated yet...


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#35 Ghostrider

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Posted 29 August 2017 - 02:18 PM

^ Well, its only ever been used to house crap previously, so why not. :)


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Posted 29 August 2017 - 02:47 PM

we are slowly going back to ower da banks .....cars rotting in parks ...fish bruck rotting on piers !!!!...rubbish littering next we paper and plastic discarded without trace .....when the madness stops we may get an answer ....s i c very apt name 


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#37 Ghostrider

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Posted 29 August 2017 - 03:19 PM

^ Maybe the best investment the SIC could make is in hiring a psychologist to oversee everything they do. It shouldn't be rocket science to appreciate that the more difficult/expensive you make doing something, the less folk are going to be inclined to bother, or care. To the SIC though, that concept seems entirely alien.


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#38 suuusssiiieee

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Posted 29 August 2017 - 06:26 PM

If each household is to get a bin, then in my flat block for example you will have 7 bins vying for the 1 and only space currently available. It could make for some interesting times.

 

Other than that your going to have at least 6 bins on the public pavement 24/7. There's no way around that as you can't block up a communal stairwell with bins for fire regulations.

 

The Dutch actually pay out something like 10 cents per bottle at depositories around the country, hence they have one of Europe's highest recycling rates (around 64%).  



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Posted 29 August 2017 - 11:21 PM

This, is the "rubbish collection point" for this neighbourhood (Yes, for my sins I live in Horseshoe Close, what of it......). It serves 20 addresses...(plus numerous others from the wider district when they need crap out of their road before essy kert day - but we know nothing about anyone that ever does that)....and faces west, next stop Newfoundland, Canada - Check out the Grit bin lid for the consequences of that.

 

I await the full "instructions" as to how these new proposals will specifically work on this particular site.....I expect them to be "interesting".

 

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Posted 30 August 2017 - 08:53 AM

This, is the "rubbish collection point" for this neighbourhood (Yes, for my sins I live in Horseshoe Close, what of it......). It serves 20 addresses...(plus numerous others from the wider district when they need crap out of their road before essy kert day - but we know nothing about anyone that ever does that)....and faces west, next stop Newfoundland, Canada - Check out the Grit bin lid for the consequences of that.

 

I await the full "instructions" as to how these new proposals will specifically work on this particular site.....I expect them to be "interesting".

 

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Goodness, isn't the rubbish "Collection point" kept nice and tidy. The rubbish outside will probably be kept outside to let everybody know just what's inside.