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#1 suuusssiiieee

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Posted 27 July 2015 - 07:57 PM

Having toddled along the street today i couldn't help but despair at the state of the place, the gable end of the stage door is a disgrace, with historic paintwork from a bygone era appearing through the last coat applied.

 

The slabs are a mish mash of slate/tarmac akin to a chess board, perhaps hop scotch could become an event on "da street" in the next shopping week jamboree. 

 

The picnic tables i see have vanished, these i believe were quite popular. Now i know our summer has been not the best but were not even in August yet, grief who's call was that!

 

The whole street in general looks shabby, i think Beirut could probably put it to shame. Also whist not exactly in the town centre, i hope some plans are in place to protect Da Lodberrie as i have to say they are really starting to show serious signs of wear and tear.

 

These are but a few observations, i'm sure others have other issues that i may have overlooked to add..


Edited by suuusssiiieee, 27 July 2015 - 07:59 PM.


#2 Twerto

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Posted 27 July 2015 - 08:56 PM

The end of stage door is only like that because I spent a Sunday afternoon stripping of the old paint in preparation of it being painted when i get a chance. 

 

Thank you for your kind observation

 

Yours Twerto


Edited by Twerto, 27 July 2015 - 08:56 PM.

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#3 suuusssiiieee

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Posted 27 July 2015 - 09:12 PM

Delighted to hear that Twerto, just please don't paint it Grey.....;)



#4 Twerto

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Posted 27 July 2015 - 09:18 PM

hehe i was thinking Neon Pink ;)


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Posted 27 July 2015 - 10:23 PM

Des anyone have any idea what Living Lerwick do apart from organising music in Harrison Square? There was a similar organisation in Scalloway and they did a lot of environmetal improvements, such as the stone dykes at the seafront and the car parking at the Shetland Bus memorial. With just one guy working for them too.


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Posted 27 July 2015 - 10:28 PM

Des anyone have any idea what Living Lerwick do apart from organising music in Harrison Square? There was a similar organisation in Scalloway and they did a lot of environmetal improvements, such as the stone dykes at the seafront and the car parking at the Shetland Bus memorial. With just one guy working for them too.

 

They allegedly promote the street and the surrounding area, with such 'delights' as the shopping week.  They have naff little xmas trees.  They apply for grants.  In turn, they allegedly attempt to rip of many business owners in the area and expect them to cough up or else!  All this whilst organising some markets too ...



#7 Windwalker

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Posted 28 July 2015 - 07:32 AM

Couldn't agree with you more Suuusssiiieee. I was at the market cross last week when it was teeming with visitors of a liner. I looked at the chemist sign and thought what a blooming disgrace this place is.

Not only is the place a disgrace but you have to play dogems with all the cars, both parked and squeezing past you. Why any tourist would find the street of any interest amazes me.

Those in charge of Living Lerwick need to take a walk over the street and they will soon see where any money should be spent.

Many years ago, I would shop on the street several times a week. You could hardly move for people and it was a place to meet friends and go for a coffee. But now I find it a chalange, where you take your life in your hands dogging cars and there are so few shops of interest.

I recall the days where some of the shops like Peter Leasks had canopies above the windows and the street looked more interesting. Now it just looks like a grey carpark.

Get rid of all the cars, put in some nice street furniture and local artwork, seating areas etc etc and tidy the place up so we do not feel embarrassed when tourists arrive.

#8 concerned shetlander

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Posted 28 July 2015 - 08:25 AM

Yes. It also looks so dirty. Everyone should be made to paint their shop at least every second year. They should also clean and scrub the pavement outside their shop every day. Windows should be washed at least once a week. And even if a shop is empty, the owners should maintain till sold. What a difference it would make to the street. Also the inside of premises should be maintained properly. In this day and age their should be no smell of toilets as you enter some of these pubs in Lerwick. Where are the environmental health people.

#9 Urabug

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Posted 28 July 2015 - 10:07 AM

I sympatise but the first question to ask is why there is the lack of shops on the street. 

 

The answer is accessability. Shop owners need to be able to get goods into and out of the buildings easily and safely. 

 

Is there any property on the street that could accommodate Tesco, Co-op  or any of the hardware stores on the industrial estares,and of course the answer is no.

 

The majority of folk want to be able to take a vehicle as near the shops as possible,and ample parking at the supermarkets  provide this . 

 

With a population of 22000 and ever increaseing competition from the internet ect, it is difficult to see how many of the small buisnesses can survive. 

 

Stopping or prohibiting cars on the street will only aid its demise. 

 

The traffic on the street is nothing campared to what it was say 20 years ago, pedestrians should always have priority unfortunately many drivers do not respect this.

 

In towns and villages where pedestrianisation has been successful the population is a lot bigger. It can not work in lerwick.

 

If the shop owners had a "larger turnower" then i am sure they would be able to afford more paint. I'm sure some are struggling to survive.

 

Many of the shops will be rented possibly the landlords are the ones to apply a lick of paint.



#10 Ally

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Posted 28 July 2015 - 10:53 AM

At least the pubs are still world class. Cough.


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Posted 28 July 2015 - 11:14 AM

Des anyone have any idea what Living Lerwick do apart from organising music in Harrison Square? There was a similar organisation in Scalloway and they did a lot of environmetal improvements, such as the stone dykes at the seafront and the car parking at the Shetland Bus memorial. With just one guy working for them too.

 

I assume the 'similar organisation' you refer to was the Waterfront Trust, which had very different objectives to Living Lerwick. 



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Posted 28 July 2015 - 12:30 PM

I sympatise but the first question to ask is why there is the lack of shops on the street. 
 
The answer is accessability. Shop owners need to be able to get goods into and out of the buildings easily and safely. 
 
Is there any property on the street that could accommodate Tesco, Co-op  or any of the hardware stores on the industrial estares,and of course the answer is no.
 
The majority of folk want to be able to take a vehicle as near the shops as possible,and ample parking at the supermarkets  provide this . 
 
With a population of 22000 and ever increaseing competition from the internet ect, it is difficult to see how many of the small buisnesses can survive. 
 
Stopping or prohibiting cars on the street will only aid its demise. 
 
The traffic on the street is nothing campared to what it was say 20 years ago, pedestrians should always have priority unfortunately many drivers do not respect this.
 
In towns and villages where pedestrianisation has been successful the population is a lot bigger. It can not work in lerwick.
 
If the shop owners had a "larger turnower" then i am sure they would be able to afford more paint. I'm sure some are struggling to survive.
 
Many of the shops will be rented possibly the landlords are the ones to apply a lick of paint.


Canna agree with de urabug, I think the main issue is the amount of cars, I cannot recal it ever being as bad as it is just now. We used to walk up and down the street in a Saturday without the problem of dogging cars.

Deliveries could be made at a set time and at all other times the street could be pedestrianised. Last time I was on the street I was nearly hit by two different cars trying to move around the cross and the quantity of vehicles going over the street are destroying the paving. It certainly puts me off.

That aside, the place needs a major facelift.

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Posted 28 July 2015 - 01:34 PM

Talking of the Cross, when did it become "ok" for vehicles leaving the street there to choose which side of the Cross they come down? Most still go round the back of the Cross and go out past High Level, same as everybody used to do, but I've seen a good few over time just cut down between the Cross and Anderson's, once with a couple of Plod watching who didn't bat an eyelid.

 

Personally I don't entirely blame folk for choosing the Anderson's side to come down seeing as they apparently now allow parking along the side of High Level, it always was a tightish turn to come around the Cross and exit there at the best of times, but with parked vehicles cutting the space by half, a driver either has to get it spot on or perform an impromptu three point turn in the middle of the street prolonging the time they're in folk's way. That said, surely "allowing" folk to come down between the Cross and Anderson's as routine, in the face of traffic attempting to get on the street, however understandable their reasons for choosing to do so, is an accident waiting to happen, whether it be two vehicles locking horns, or somebody getting squashed by a vehicle in such a situation taking evasive action.


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Posted 28 July 2015 - 02:13 PM

Totally disagree Windwalker,the street used to be lots and lots busier with far more folk ,vans ,buses and lorries .

 

You must have been going arround with your eyes closed.



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Posted 28 July 2015 - 02:18 PM

Ghostrider .

 

I used to get trouble if I cycled the wrong way along the street .

 

They can do anything  dey want noo.


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#16 Ghostrider

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Posted 28 July 2015 - 02:41 PM

^ Apparently so. Yup, even bikes weren't tolerated once upon a time, been there, done that, back in the day.



#17 Windwalker

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Posted 28 July 2015 - 03:35 PM

Totally disagree Windwalker,the street used to be lots and lots busier with far more folk ,vans ,buses and lorries .
 
You must have been going arround with your eyes closed.

Well we will just have to agree to disagree, but I can mind walking over the street on a Saturday without constantly having to squeeze against shops to let vehicles pass.

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Posted 28 July 2015 - 05:30 PM

I think what we need to consider why we need to go to the shops on the street, and how much time we have to do that.  Things have changed and i think due to time we have spare we then  'nip to the street' far more than we did in the past. Usualy just 15/20 mins, do what i need and get then get heck out of there. for me its usualy at lunchtime.

i dont have time to park ages away and time to donder down to the shops.  I personaly go to the bank, postoffice, chemist. most months then a small selection of the others once in a blue moon.  i have never spent an entire afternoon or morning tralwing through them all just for the sake of it or even for xmas shopping ive never done it.  So fo me and many others i need to get in, park and get out within 15/20 mins.  They took in the short term parking spaces but i have notest the same cars there every day, all day, hogging the spots and stopping their customers getting to their shops. i persume its staff cars from the businesses on the street themselves.

 

There is nothing available on the street that we the public cant get anywhere else localy or on the net. so why should we put wir sell out to get it there to get things? It's not for the plants places outside the shops or for the rubbish service you get in some of the shops.

 

You can meet more folk you know going through the supermarkets than on the street, and your warm and dry and you can get tones of free parking just outside the door.

 

i can never remember any time where we have never had not to dodge cars on the street and as an adult i have been here 30 years.  When was the time when you didnt have to? Vans to the shops and disabled cars have always had access and i persume they will always have acsess to the street. Next time you there you will find most of the cars from the cross to the fort have a handy blue badge in them, so that wont stop. or they blinking should!

 

so whats wrong with parking under andersons windows or outside the chemist? as long as its very short time i have no problem at all, i see people stopping all day outside high level which blocks the free flow of cars which will end up stopping everyone getting there at all, spoiling it for everyone, So please stop parking there if its you doing it.

 

i once brought the parking subject up on the living lerwick page and as usual they did nothing, subjects like this wil bring out the smart arses who say we all have to walk as we are getting fat, its not about excersise its about the time we have free to 'nip to the street'. I did note the person that shouted me down on that occation was then spotted by myself going around the cross in their car the following week so it was, do as i say, not as i do there.

 

I recently phoned living lerwick about asking the shop staff to stop blocking all the short time spaces as their customers couldnt get to the shops or banks. living lerwick have done nothing as far as i know.

 

one final nots about the slabs on the street being broken, i have been informed its the trucks and essy kert that does it not the actual cars.

we might try to ban cars but blue badge cars (of all sizes) will always get on the street so you will se no difrence.



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Posted 28 July 2015 - 06:24 PM

I agree the cars on the street are annoying, especially if you have a pram or young children.
It would be great if it was pedestrianised but it could have a negative effect on footfall with people avoiding the street altogether, maybe they could make parking free on the pier to compensate.

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Posted 28 July 2015 - 08:31 PM

I only go to the street when it is unavoidable and, I DO NOT give way to traffic.  I don't deliberately hinder anyone driving along but, I don't hinder myself either....  If they (motorists) want to drive along the street faster than I can walk then, they are a danger to everyone and shouldn't be there in the first place.. 

Some parts of the street are so narrow that there is no way to let anyone pass other than to squeeze yourself into a shop doorway and let vehicles pass inches from you.  I often wonder if some of the "drivers" that I see on the street have the judgement abilities required to avoid injuring someone. 

Delivery vehicles have something of a "right" to be there but, most others are just "ignorant" of the fact that parts of the street are supposed(?) to be closed to traffic at certain times of the day.

As for "Blue Badge" holders, they should be "cut some slack".  I see a few but, not that many.

 

Can't see any way that there would be free parking on the pier as it is owned by LPA and not the SIC.  Likewise "beneath Anderson's windows" is out as well as it is private propertry.  Anyway, LPA shut the pier on a "whim" to accommodate buses for cruise liners..  No problem guessing where their loyalties lie.. Great shame because it's not as if "bussed out" tourists are going to be spending in the town anyway..

 

Seriously, if anyone has a great problem with traffic on the street then, just a suggestion, do as I do and don't give way to it.  If enough people did this then a lot of the unnecessary traffic might eventually stop.