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#21 magnie ii

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Posted 21 November 2017 - 05:55 PM

would think d might be a bit difficult after what happened with the sky bridge



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Posted 22 November 2017 - 09:05 AM

Ferry service for north isles is a joke today yes it's windy but can't get off north isles to get to slmg final sale of the year I am disappointed to say the least. It's another reason fixed links need to be brought into play ASAP so the isles as a whole can get into the 21st century so everyday people can get about and do there work.
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Posted 22 November 2017 - 10:35 AM

Yes, I agree the bear 100% this lose to isles not been Able to get to sales with livestock, as a lot people hold stock back hoping prices go up. now there lost chance, I understand weather no one can controll but if been fixed link its  don’t depend on weather, maybe really good idea to put out survey who like fixed links on islands, I understand ferries jobs would go but in building of tunnel 100s jobs be created on islands building them also there after they need maintained and security people. Isle people go for fixed links and future Islands develop and young generation have reasons for them to stay on island not move to Lerwick or south looking for work or study give them chance work on our isles I understand ferrie crews wont like i would be same but its time think all people needs as Throught times new ferries all will go up in prices even wages then service be reduced say monies  thats what come to long term Sic and scottish office will not keep pumping monies into ferries ,they taxes property go up up and really north isles people should get tax relive on houses as there distance from main Facility’s of lerwick

Taxes monies from rates of houses should remain in area to develope region min 10 years 

Why theres no Industrial sites in outer Isle were by companies set up business get zero taxes 10 years and employment of  people if this happened  it would double isle 

 

Population fast. and its not fairy tale idea as all across uk there economical zones for this,waken up please SIC   with transportation needs of islands  Hold you heads high front of people  who votes you in, your chair and expects keep promises 



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Posted 22 November 2017 - 05:49 PM

I couldn't get into work today because of the ferry cancellations.

 

Please don't build any tunnels or fixed links..... :P


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Posted 22 November 2017 - 07:00 PM

I couldn't get into work today because of the ferry cancellations.

 

Please don't build any tunnels or fixed links..... :P

 

We probably can't build any tunnels or fixed links. No doubt all materiels required for them will have to be delivered by inter-island ferries and all deliveries will be controlled by the S. I. C. and they will tell us how important it is that they mainain full power over it all, when some other crowd could probably do the job in half the time and at a tenth of the price.


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Posted 23 November 2017 - 11:51 AM

Isle people go for fixed links and future Islands develop and young generation have reasons for them to stay on island not move to Lerwick or south looking for work or study

Just out of interest, how many ex-isle residents have you spoken to to come to that conclusion?

I think most young leavers will tell you that they leave to go to university/college and/or that they want to live in or near cities/towns. Why? Because it’s a more appealing lifestyle with more educational, career or social opportunities for them.

How are fixed links going to change that?

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Posted 23 November 2017 - 01:18 PM

 

Isle people go for fixed links and future Islands develop and young generation have reasons for them to stay on island not move to Lerwick or south looking for work or study

Just out of interest, how many ex-isle residents have you spoken to to come to that conclusion?

I think most young leavers will tell you that they leave to go to university/college and/or that they want to live in or near cities/towns. Why? Because it’s a more appealing lifestyle with more educational, career or social opportunities for them.

How are fixed links going to change that?

 

 

Fixed links will give everybody, young and old, access to both mainland and the other isles 24/7, unlike what is inflicted upon us now. Perhaps that will offer a little more to the youths that want to go on to further education or want decent access to a social environment, instead of only having access to the rest of the world during the hours provided.



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Posted 23 November 2017 - 03:38 PM

Hi George

I thank you for your Reply But in reality people be more free to attend classes or social events in lerwick and return home when they want and don’t depend on ferries its 24 hours service fixed links, lot young from  outer isles get bored and if  they want to  go to lerwick evening  must stay there overnight, same with workers if direct fixed links  people can  even work in lerwick return home night with good transport network,as buses depend on ferries running or not due to weather. Example there was meeting in shetland hotel for farmers crofter future of Shetland 7pm night how many people north isles could attend that to talk see their future in crofting? they could not attend as to late for ferries get back home ,I understand ferrie crews Employed By  SIC cant voice there option regarding fixed links or some member communitie counsol  or vote for it  but time they thought for good of their communities Not there personal Interests JOBS for boys days must end, wages on ferries are quite good as people are home most evening and people who are on vessels for 6 plus months traveling ocean get same wages  plus most ferrie men are crofters have second income so they live well  other crofters struggle

 

If   community counselors don’t ask press they won’t get and isles get few fewer people then theres  no need for ferries  and go back 2 times per day crossings, scottish office  will not  give more monies for upgrade ferries when cheaper way better service can be done, its be cheaper them give 1m pounds each house hold live on mainland Shetland rather pay ferries costs  sure they won’t do that. But  if people want work in past ways its costly way WHO pays?

 

I am from shetlands but see that there’s not ambition go ahead with transport systems also keep in mind if  it was not Oil Shetland we  had no good roads  roads Sullomvoe to sum burgh still been narrow tracks  the  oil help pay   it

 

The old Sic members when oil come to islands got there Requirements for shetland people from big oil companies. they almost had free electrical power for old people low income on shetlands but then north Scotland hydro board threatened take away they network on isles lines old Sic although new to game developments were more active in getting needs that today and consolers at that time   got  basic fee attend meetings was not high like today wages officals get and travel perks

 

Another example Gas plant sullom voe 

 

Sic could have got quota of gas from  this plant had to module power plants on site make power for all shetlands  such power plant 100m today, like shipping containers just hoock up to gas  but government don’t want they want spend 1 billion sterling on cable to mainland. wind farms have  come It has been  proven not effective and  bad for    Enviromental  now goverment are not supporting this much more so you see Clever people. In thatcher time state only administrate she made them not to operate as it was lose  better put to tender save monies as private can do cheaper  so same ferries sic would save 7m year on this routes  instead ad to budget better to put monies in tunnels not ferries open up isles get in Investors to fund Pulblic private partnerships way forward for all shetland they do  it in  scotland so dont be afraid in shetland. to do this

 



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Posted 23 November 2017 - 04:59 PM

Well fixed link is not going to help me in Fair Isle. So a one solution fits all will not work. We all filled out that daft survey recently and were told the transport links didn’t meet the Scottish government’s minimum standard as we couldn’t get out for a night out and back the same night they just don’t live in the real world these consultants. What we did want is a way to get a vehicle bigger than a car onto the isle and get livestock off to the mart in a reasonable condition. That was lost in the consultation though and they came up with Sunday flights as the answer. I mean an agricultural community that can’t get a wee tractor in withought charter is just a joke.
Now the council has earmarked a huge budget to design a new ferry that they can’t build because they don’t have the money so why waste the money designing something that by the time you have money it will be out of date. Frustrated yea that kinds of sums it up.
As for attracting young folk. Well it kind of depends how you classify young. Under forty would be good.
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Posted 24 November 2017 - 12:13 AM

Its probably a blessing in disguise that they can't build whatever they design given their track record.

 

Their last attempt at a small bespoke vessel for a lengthy and exposed crossing gave us the long, very sorry, and no doubt offensively expensive saga of dud people designing, building and attempted modifications of dud boats, that only ended when they finally had to give in and do what they should have done in the beginning, and listened to the Foula folk and built what they'd suggested all along was the best fit for the route.

 

Unfortunately enough time has passed since that hilarious debacle, that memories of it within the corridors of power are no doubt long buried and forgotten under the pile of numerous subsequent embassassments they've had a hand in, and a re-run for the Fair Isle is more than likely.

 

Its not like there's been any evidence they've gotten any better at it with time, seeing as we only recently managed to unload two turkey tugs they'd 'designed'.


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Posted 24 November 2017 - 02:49 AM

That the islands people of all ages would have the options afforded to us on the mainland as far as being able to attend night classes, social events etc. without having an over night stay if there was a fixed link is of course true. However on a very cold (not unusual for us), dark winters night when you have been working all day, would you rather get home to whichever island & then attend a night class locally which would most likely be no more than a 15 minute drive away from your house or would you want to drive down to (probably) the town which would I would think certainly take at least an hour at the speed limit, attend your class, drive back & probably not get in your house before 10pm (assuming classes are 7-9pm), at the earliest but quite possibly later depending on which island & whereabouts on it you live. That last scenario would be if your employment was on your home island or at the north of the mainland. If you were already in the town because of work or shopping you would most likely not go home between work & your class because of the time constraint & the fuel cost. That would feel like a really long day! Obviously some may be glad to do all this driving in maybe not the best weather conditions but I do wonder how popular it would be on a regular basis? As far as social events, if they involve alcohol then you will either have to stop at one drink so as not to be over the legal limit. Is that likely if you are socialising all evening, especially at the weekend. You could have a designated driver but they are not always easy to find! Hireing a taxi is another option but even a shared hire would be quite cost prohibitive for many for that distance, presuming you can get a taxi. For the younger folk in particular I think that these options are less likely to work out in practice. I suspect if they already crash on a toonie friends couch they will continue to choose this option, after all there maybe after pub/club parties to go to! I would be genuinely interested to hear views from the northern isles, maybe I will be proved totally wrong.

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Posted 24 November 2017 - 10:37 AM


Isle people go for fixed links and future Islands develop and young generation have reasons for them to stay on island not move to Lerwick or south looking for work or study

Just out of interest, how many ex-isle residents have you spoken to to come to that conclusion?

I think most young leavers will tell you that they leave to go to university/college and/or that they want to live in or near cities/towns. Why? Because it’s a more appealing lifestyle with more educational, career or social opportunities for them.

How are fixed links going to change that?

Fixed links will give everybody, young and old, access to both mainland and the other isles 24/7, unlike what is inflicted upon us now. Perhaps that will offer a little more to the youths that want to go on to further education or want decent access to a social environment, instead of only having access to the rest of the world during the hours provided.

*If* the young folk who left just moved to Lerwick and *if* the primary reason for doing that was because of the cost/hassle of having to use a ferry to get to/from the isles every day then I might be inclined to agree with you.

For a lot of young folk though, it’s a lifestyle choice. When they get to a certain age, life in rural areas just doesn’t appeal to them anymore. They want to be right in towns/cities to experience the opportunities they offer, not just to have 24/7 access to them by road.

I’m saying all of this as an ex-isles/ex-young person myself. My choice to leave had nothing to do with the transport situation. I’m not saying that’s necessarily the case for everybody but I very much doubt my experience is unique either.
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Posted 24 November 2017 - 10:45 AM

As far as social events, if they involve alcohol then you will either have to stop at one drink so as not to be over the legal limit. Is that likely if you are socialising all evening, especially at the weekend. You could have a designated driver but they are not always easy to find! Hireing a taxi is another option but even a shared hire would be quite cost prohibitive for many for that distance, presuming you can get a taxi. For the younger folk in particular I think that these options are less likely to work out in practice. I suspect if they already crash on a toonie friends couch they will continue to choose this option, after all there maybe after pub/club parties to go to! I would be genuinely interested to hear views from the northern isles, maybe I will be proved totally wrong.


I suspect you’re right. It’d be almost the furthest extreme but a trip from Lerwick to Baltasound through two tunnels would still probably take around an hour.

Even in a taxi, it’s probably not the length of trip anybody anywhere would want to take two ways/at 3 in the morning after a night on the sauce.
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#34 George.

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Posted 24 November 2017 - 12:19 PM

 

 

 

Isle people go for fixed links and future Islands develop and young generation have reasons for them to stay on island not move to Lerwick or south looking for work or study

Just out of interest, how many ex-isle residents have you spoken to to come to that conclusion?

I think most young leavers will tell you that they leave to go to university/college and/or that they want to live in or near cities/towns. Why? Because it’s a more appealing lifestyle with more educational, career or social opportunities for them.

How are fixed links going to change that?

Fixed links will give everybody, young and old, access to both mainland and the other isles 24/7, unlike what is inflicted upon us now. Perhaps that will offer a little more to the youths that want to go on to further education or want decent access to a social environment, instead of only having access to the rest of the world during the hours provided.

*If* the young folk who left just moved to Lerwick and *if* the primary reason for doing that was because of the cost/hassle of having to use a ferry to get to/from the isles every day then I might be inclined to agree with you.

For a lot of young folk though, it’s a lifestyle choice. When they get to a certain age, life in rural areas just doesn’t appeal to them anymore. They want to be right in towns/cities to experience the opportunities they offer, not just to have 24/7 access to them by road.

I’m saying all of this as an ex-isles/ex-young person myself. My choice to leave had nothing to do with the transport situation. I’m not saying that’s necessarily the case for everybody but I very much doubt my experience is unique either.

 

 

Unfortunately, it's not just the youth that need access to the mainland or the rest of the isles outwith the hours that the ferries run. The entire population find themselves in the position where they need to move from one place to another, at a time that the ferry isn't running. If nothing is done to solve that then the only people that will ever benefit in any way will remain the same. The ferry crews will benefit. Not you. Not me. Nobody that needs immediate access to the hospital, or needs to assist their family who are on another island.

 

Obviously, the only people that should be looked after, in any way at all are the ferry crews. Nobody else is worth considering. Be happy.



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Posted 24 November 2017 - 01:06 PM

Hi George

I Agree some your points but future of Islands depend on people  and Numbers  If they keep falling or not going up Government will stop Giving more monies on ferries service  it go to few ferries per day, and only way to get numbers  up and  family’s to stay on islands give conditions work places good transport links, but I am seeing that Sic try to centralize  things that people are encouragement to move to lerwick  Rural areas will slowly come fewer over time,  Anderson High school is great 50 plus Million  Costs  for prefab building 25-max 30 years live span ,but same time they closed small schools, in rural areas, that’s how communities survive is by having schools post offices shops,

 

when they close means village life is slowly stopping

 

I sorry to say Rural Villages to me is very important in any country if their good means Government are good if there slow down means special program to cut them   and centralization to town   and they  don’t want rural developments or  work places or housing in that areas. this reality and Budgets go to Lerwick areas more for them . this Wrong in My books, Budgets are for all Shetlands, to develop Time people opened there eyes see this situation,even unst Airport could operate flight 1- 2 times per week to Aberdeen save people going all way south end  by way  weres marketing of transport  to get people in out isles millions  go to  budget to zetrans what they  do hire in counsultants  give big fees, communites can give same advice even better there needs free of charge  

 this airport  is on hold by some people  give it to airline operate service Get it working,such airlines operate all over world small airports List goes on Old saying if you depend on a fool represent you whats results end of day?? Zero thats why isles are 10 years behind    sorry to say about my homeland 

 

 


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Posted 24 November 2017 - 03:21 PM

 

Hi George

 

I Agree some your points but future of Islands depend on people  and Numbers  If they keep falling or not going up Government will stop Giving more monies on ferries service  it go to few ferries per day, and only way to get numbers  up and  family’s to stay on islands give conditions work places good transport links, but I am seeing that Sic try to centralize  things that people are encouragement to move to lerwick  Rural areas will slowly come fewer over time,  Anderson High school is great 50 plus Million  Costs  for prefab building 25-max 30 years live span ,but same time they closed small schools, in rural areas, that’s how communities survive is by having schools post offices shops,

 

 

when they close means village life is slowly stopping

 

 

I sorry to say Rural Villages to me is very important in any country if their good means Government are good if there slow down means special program to cut them   and centralization to town   and they  don’t want rural developments or  work places or housing in that areas. this reality and Budgets go to Lerwick areas more for them . this Wrong in My books, Budgets are for all Shetlands, to develop Time people opened there eyes see this situation,even unst Airport could operate flight 1- 2 times per week to Aberdeen save people going all way south end  by way  weres marketing of transport  to get people in out isles millions  go to  budget to zetrans what they  do hire in counsultants  give big fees, communites can give same advice even better there needs free of charge  

 

 

 this airport  is on hold by some people  give it to airline operate service Get it working,such airlines operate all over world small airports List goes on Old saying if you depend on a fool represent you whats results end of day?? Zero thats why isles are 10 years behind    sorry to say about my homeland 

 

 

 

 

An awful lot needs to be done for the islands, Boby. 24/7 crossing times needs to be available to them or everybody that lives there now will soon find a reason to move out, and they will move out. Where they'll move to will be up to them but it will be detrimental to the islands, and what is detrimental to the islands will rub off over the whole of Shetland. How will the people that have worked against bridges and tunnels justify the damage that they will be shown to have inflicted upon the whole of Shetland.

 

Apart from that, ferry services are restrictive to business on the isles. Outwith the times that the ferries run, there is no way for people to travel to or from the islands. That deters people from enjoying the many events that take place all over Shetland as only the locals can have no worries about travel times. Only people with no medical problems that can, and will, require hospital treatment can have no worries about ferry times. It also keeps the folk that live out on the isles from enjoying the vast majority of what there is to see all over the rest of Shetland because they are trapped at home. It affects everybody. It is detrimental to everybody. It is destructive to the whole of Shetland. No tunnels and no bridges will end up meaning no Shetland worth going to. After all, nobody else will be there. Anybody visiting will get lonely.



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Posted 25 November 2017 - 06:42 AM

I do realise that there may be reasons other than the ones I have discussed, for accessing the "islands". My points were intended to highlight just some of the issues. A couple more things that I believe may be relevant are firstly that the bridge option could still be fraught with problems as winds over a certain strength could mean closure. Also I would have thought that when an ambulance is required that by the time it has got from Lerwick to Toft that there has been time to have the ferry in place whatever time of day or night it is? If the situation is seconds critical shouldn't an air ambulance be involved? I am fully aware this is very expensive but "what price life?"

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Posted 25 November 2017 - 07:12 AM

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I agree bridge idea not so good as many days of year it be closed due wind speeds thats why tunnels not depend on weather to cross, materials from tunnel can be used in road construction through isles, these tunnels take min 2 years to build each one  and would employe alot of people in area  during  build 

this day of age not bad thing, new business would start in area as not so remote,but 10 years plan must be done on this to get people to area to invest, in projects



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Posted 25 November 2017 - 12:05 PM

I am really for business thriving in all geographical areas but the less central & therefore further away from most of the population, then the less passing trade is to be had. A business would need to have some unique quality about it to get people making a special trip to it from a distance. Ofcourse they could trade over the internet but then whether there is a fixed link or not would not be relevant. It is a shame that we do not value smaller communities for what they are, generally quieter, safer (for both people & property) places that do not have the "excitement" & variety of a town or city but they do have the tranquility & feeling of security that some people do thrive in. It's horses for courses. I am on the mainland (a country area) so am not limited by a ferry timetable, however as a non driver I am sometimes limited by lack of affordable transport to the town. But this is my choice as I would rather live in the country even though there are less facilities than in the town. When I was younger I didn't always feel that way & did live in the town for a while & also went south & enjoyed city life for a while. It is not uncommon for folk to go through a period in their lives usually at a younger age, of wanting change & new experiences & there will always be a number of folk who won't want to come back to the quieter life. Take note of "Shetlanders" post yesterday (24th) at 10.37am (sorry haven't figured out the technical bit of how to insert this here!) The best we can all do is to support our local businesses such as shops, post offices etc. as much as possible, I am on a very limited income so I do appreciate this is not always easy. Also doing what we can to keep our local schools open. It's these sorts of facilities that make a place a community instead of just a commuter area for the town. I wouldn't have thought that there is a high demand for people from the mainland to travel to & from the isles after ferries have quit running for the day though I am not exactly sure what time that is, can anyone enlighten me please? For all these reasons I am not yet convinced that a fixed link is a priority but as I have said in a previous post if the majority of the isles people want it then fair enough, their lives will be affected by it far more than the rest of us. Speak up Unst, Yell Fetlar & Whalsay!

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Posted 25 November 2017 - 12:49 PM

The winter ferry timetable for Unst and Yell is available on https://www.shetland...17ALR-Timetable

 

Great if you only operate during ferry times but if you are asked to turn up for work outwith these hours...........