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[Ghostrider]

^Faq's say your bins will be checked to see if correct waste is placed in them. Black bags presented in usual way but fortnightly are for non-recyclable waste, but nothing there stating they will be untied and also inspected, so recyclable stuff could get in the bags. Not withstanding other criticisms of the scheme, I would find it disappointing that waste might not be more fully separated at source and enforced. It leaves room for errors. If we are going to do it then do it properly in my opinion.

 

How are they going to identify who the 'unapproved' rubbish belongs to at communal collection points, how do they prove that 'unapproved' rubbish in a single household's collection all actually belongs to that householder. Its quite common for folk who have to take their rubbish in a vehicle to a point not on their route going somewhere else, or if they just have a relatively mall quantity to add, to just add it to someone elses roadside pile on their way to wherever they do have to go.

 

Opening bags and checking contents is wholly unjustifiable on the grounds of the level of work/time required, and its wholly impractical whenever and wherever theres any more than a moderate breeze. The amount of crap that blows away from simply picking up bags and throwing them in the truck, plus what blows out of the back of the truck, is disgraceful enough as is. If you start emptying every bag and raking through it to check its contents there'll be more of the bagful that blows away than gets trucked away.

Edited March 10, 2018 by Ghostrider

[The Cutty Sark]

I wish that was true. But sadly, current statistics from separate polls performed by the "Recycling and Waste organisation" and "Cleaning Matters" both show that millennial's are the least likely to perform recycling tasks, assist in clean up operations, are most likely to use dangerous single use plastics. 

 

On recycling, both polls were similar and generally resulted in the following:

 

Aged 16-34 49% Recycle

Aged 35-54 75% Recycle

Aged 55-90 80% Recycle

 

Interestingly though, Scotland comes top with the number of people who recycle at 80%    while London was lowest with only 54% 

 

As for cynicism, I can only guess this is because older people tend to grumble a lot, but still do what's required    

 

 

 

 

borderhole24 - who said that if you do not recycle eg tins, plastic bottles, bottles of drink that your rubbish in black bags, all together, like at present will not be collected? just you making that up?

 

Who's going to recycle the black bags and how long will it take, playlist? A year, a century or a few millenia, if at all?

 

 

As usual, the older generation are the cynics, while the younger generation are at least trying.  Ironically to save the planet from the older generations sharn.

 

Edited March 11, 2018 by The Cutty Sark

[Ghostrider]

 

As for cynicism, I can only guess this is because older people tend to grumble a lot, but still do what's required 

 

That may well be the case just now, as its the aged flower power, hippie, peace, love maan generation that's the 'older people' at the moment.

 

In a decade, it'll be the punk generation that are the 'older people'

 

Anarchy on zimmer frames and in old folk's homes rools OK.

Edited March 11, 2018 by Ghostrider

[Space]

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Opening bags and checking contents is wholly unjustifiable on the grounds of the level of work/time required, and its wholly impractical whenever and wherever theres any more than a moderate breeze...

Of course they will not be untied. The point I was trying to make was that the scheme is fine but maybe wide open to giving people who can't be bothered the biggest chance of not properly separating waste because the black bag can contain anything/ still be used as it is now. But I guess it's all down to the consciences of the individual. It would otherwise mean more bins, e.g. food waste, garden waste, non-recyclable etc.

Edited March 11, 2018 by Space

[George.]

 

 

borderhole24 - who said that if you do not recycle eg tins, plastic bottles, bottles of drink that your rubbish in black bags, all together, like at present will not be collected? just you making that up?

 

Who's going to recycle the black bags and how long will it take, playlist? A year, a century or a few millenia, if at all?

 

 

As usual, the older generation are the cynics, while the younger generation are at least trying.  Ironically to save the planet from the older generations sharn.

 

Who are the cynics? The older, the younger or the ones in between,- or possibly just every single one of them that doesn't really know what the truth is, but certainly know what they want to believe?

[Space]

^Last person I saw dropping litter was a teenager. Empty beer bottle lobbed over a fence into a park. I don't think it's old vs young, it a cultural thing. Older people were brought up in a time where there was less awareness of impact of waste, litter etc. I think the whole community should get behind something and work together including education/ awareness.

Edited March 11, 2018 by Space

[George.]

I think the whole community should get behind something and work together including education/ awareness.

 

Quite agreed, it's a cultural thing. Before the whole community gets behind anything though, think about what council tax pays for. Each and every adult that pays council tax pays them to collect the rubbish that is left lying aroung, plus all the garbage in the house etc. What percentage of all that polluting garbage that is found all over the whole place does the council recieve payment for cleaning up, tidying up and picking up.

 

They are paid to pick up every last piece. They are paid to do the whole lot. You can guess what the next redd up that I'll be on is.

[Space]

^I don't agree that the council are paid to pick up every last piece. They are responsible for education/ awareness, enforcement and picking up litter, so far as is practicable. Not fair to offload the whole problem on the council. I believe there is a responsibility on the whole community not to drop litter in the first place and show good will to assist in the cleanup as its a far reaching problem. Also not wholly our fault what floats in on the tide, but sadly it becomes our collective problem.

Edited March 11, 2018 by Space

[Frances144]

I do Redd Up on the same piece of road every year and it saddens me to see the same pile of plastic crap arrive afterwards.

 

And then there are the tins.

 

Why, just why do folk do it?  I would no more throw something out of my car as rubbish than fly.  I don't have that mentality. It saddens me greatly.

[George.]

^I don't agree that the council are paid to pick up every last piece. They are responsible for education/ awareness, enforcement and picking up litter, so far as is practicable. Not fair to offload the whole problem on the council. I believe there is a responsibility on the whole community not to drop litter in the first place and show good will to assist in the cleanup as its a far reaching problem. Also not wholly our fault what floats in on the tide, but sadly it becomes our collective problem.

 

Really, you don't believe that the council do that? I would suggest that they do. They have online a statement telling us that they do. Of course, if you don't agree you could look up their claims regarding what they do with your council tax and who pays for the essy kert to to come around.

[Space]

 

^I'm just talking about litter, just to clarify. As opposed to just the bins. Sorry I might be a bit off topic, but was generalising about attitude to waste/ rubbish and litter.

Edited March 11, 2018 by Space

[The Cutty Sark]

It should actually be self-funding as councils make a lot of money from recycled waste which they sell to recycling businesses, it's why many perform the task in the UK, and ask tenants to help separate waste for them.

 

Sadly though, Greenpeace found that over 500,000 tonnes of the recycling effort (in the form of plastics) from UK citizens was exported from the UK, mostly to Asia, and much of this is buried or placed in an incinerator. And while oil prices continue to fall, the need for recycled plastic is becoming less cost effective to use, with many UK recycle centres who specialise in plastic recycling going out of business. How this will effect UK councils funding of all these very worthwhile initiatives will need to be seen. I have no idea who SIC intend to sell their plastics, paper and metals to, we should hope that it is to a responsible business.

 

I agree with you completely on personal responsibility, it does not take much to pick up a few bits of plastic when you're out at the beach for example (I always carry a canvas bag for that purpose), there is a clean up going on in the south at West Voe, I believe by people from the area, so there are positives all around us.

 

^I don't agree that the council are paid to pick up every last piece. They are responsible for education/ awareness, enforcement and picking up litter, so far as is practicable. Not fair to offload the whole problem on the council. I believe there is a responsibility on the whole community not to drop litter in the first place and show good will to assist in the cleanup as its a far reaching problem. Also not wholly our fault what floats in on the tide, but sadly it becomes our collective problem.

[George.]

^I'm just talking about litter, just to clarify.

 

I do the same, Space. I will happily pick up a bit of this and that and, yes, people should stop chucking so much poison, pollution and rubbish around. They only do it for one reason - they are too lazy to deal with it correctly.

Edited March 11, 2018 by George.

[borderhole24]

 

^I'm just talking about litter, just to clarify.

 

I do the same, Space. I will happily pick up a bit of this and that and, yes, people should stop chucking so much poison, pollution and rubbish around. They only do it for one reason - they are too lazy to deal with it correctly.

 

 

Out of interest George, since you think this recycling thing is a lot of garbage (pun intended), what would be your solution?

[George.]

 

Out of interest George, since you think this recycling thing is a lot of garbage (pun intended), what would be your solution?

 

I don't think that recycling is wrong in any way or form. I have never indicated that I do. Having said that, what is being done around here is rubbish (Pun etc). There used to be skips put out, all over the islands. Not now. They used to be free to use. Now you have to contact the council to come and collect your rubbish, at a cost that we didn't have before. Having said that, they've taken a service away from us but they haven't dropped the charges in any way, they've increased them by putting another charge in, on top of what we paid before. What a surprise, wow, can't believe it. The service that we had before was not perfect but it worked after a fashion, it was usable. The new service that the council have decided to inflict upon us, democratically of course or so they will no doubt claim, will have to be paid for every time we use it. A seperate charge every single time, which we didn't have forced on us before when we had a skip to use.

 

Hopefully, the majority of the rubbish that is collected, which again is an extra charge that is being inflicted upon us after losing a service that I believe was in effect free and more use to us, will be effectively recycled. They tell us regularly. Remember though, there are no guarantees in life, the council prove it time after time and I doubt they will ever stop proving it, whether it makes any sense is immaterial and if it costs a damn sight more they just won't tell us.

 

It's a rubbish job, inflicted upon us by the rubbish that blows around the islands while claiming that they are in some way more important than anybody else, who charge us for a rubbish service, pun etc. Don't forget that you have to pay for it every single time, unlike before.

 

And to finish the comment, I believe that every single person that walks this earth should be better informed regarding what can be recycled, what they have to do to recycle it and what it will cost and what they should be using to cut down as much as possible the need to recycle. The last bit will be the most difficult. After all, man discovered plastic but insisted that he should ignore the poison and pollution etc.

Edited March 11, 2018 by George.