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#161 borderhole24

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Posted 08 March 2018 - 02:11 PM

If I tie up my wheelie bin to stop it blowing away, does anyone know if the bin men will be re-tying wheelie bins back up to stop them blowing away ?

Or will I find my bins halfway down the road when I come home?

Who is liable for any damage caused by flying wheelie bin, the householder or council?

I notice that they bring this latest scheme out in the Spring when wind dying down.

Is this so when problems occur with the wind, they the council can say it has been working fine for last 7 months they can ignore the issue when gales really start to pick up again in October.

 

No - unless you use a bungee cord, they won't have time to untie and retie hundreds of wheelie bins daily.

 

You won't if you use a bungee cord, free and supplied with it.

 

You, it's your bin.  You don't have to accept the bin, but you do have to recycle.  If it is clear you are not recycling your waste will not be collected.



#162 wotsit

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Posted 08 March 2018 - 02:16 PM

Are the council really going to allow their operatives to re hook bungee cords with all the safety risks of a bungee cord, main injury is a loss of an eye.

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Posted 08 March 2018 - 02:27 PM

You'll have to buy yourself impact goggles  B) I expect operatives will be issued with some? :)



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Posted 08 March 2018 - 02:32 PM

Are the council really going to allow their operatives to re hook bungee cords with all the safety risks of a bungee cord, main injury is a loss of an eye.

 

Yes I suspect they will.  Just as electricians work with electricity, the bin men will work with...........um, bungee cords.


You'll have to buy yourself impact goggles  B) I expect operatives will be issued with some? :)

 

I'm going to dig out my swimming goggles.



#165 wotsit

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Posted 08 March 2018 - 02:32 PM

Thanks for the info.

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Posted 08 March 2018 - 02:48 PM

Employers have duties under health and safety law to assess risks in the workplace, so if it is acknowledged that there is a risk of eye injury from bungees ties, they would have to control that with something. Goggles would be a sensible.

Like bruck boxes, I would like to see the Amenity Trust or other local organisation selling cheapish timber double (or treble - future proof) bin stores. I'd make one myself, but it would probably get destroyed in the first light breeze. I would then stick it at the front of the house next to the road, regardless of it being an eyesore, no bungee needed - job done! 


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#167 Rasmie

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Posted 08 March 2018 - 03:09 PM

It is going to be interesting for us. 5 houses at the end of a 100m unadopted track coming out onto a side road. At the mom we leave out black bags under a net tight against the wall. Certainly not room for 5 bins with a wall about 10 cms from the road and on someones private land . Pity there wasn't some communal facilities we could use. Some of us have cars.



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Posted 08 March 2018 - 05:56 PM

Employers have duties under health and safety law to assess risks in the workplace, so if it is acknowledged that there is a risk of eye injury from bungees ties, they would have to control that with something. Goggles would be a sensible.
Like bruck boxes, I would like to see the Amenity Trust or other local organisation selling cheapish timber double (or treble - future proof) bin stores. I'd make one myself, but it would probably get destroyed in the first light breeze. I would then stick it at the front of the house next to the road, regardless of it being an eyesore, no bungee needed - job done!


The only problem with a bin store is that if it is at the front of a house/ driveway and is of a certain size ( big enough for a wheelie bin) it would contravene planning and visibility splay regulations, and therefore be unlawful.

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Posted 08 March 2018 - 06:14 PM

^If that's right then that plan's scuppered and the bins blowing away!
I take it normal bruck boxes are not big and ugly enough to contravene planning regulations?

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#170 wotsit

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Posted 08 March 2018 - 06:40 PM

I don’t think they are, it all depends exactly where they are placed.

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Posted 08 March 2018 - 07:42 PM

When some peerie bairn get mowed down and seriously injured by a tearaway bin in a force 10 gale action may then be taken.

 

Question is taken against who ?



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Posted 08 March 2018 - 07:55 PM

Bungee cords are a red herring solution, most these days are of very poor quality and in any case aren't designed or intended for permanent use.

 

They're supposed to be for short term light loads, like securing a few bits and pieces on a motorbike carrier, older style car roof rack, a cover over a car trailer or the like for individual journeys. If you try using them permanently the elasticity will go out of them relatively quickly in around two out of three cases, are few months maximum is typical, and become no different to use than string with a hook either end.

 

Having used them daily on bikes for long periods in the past, from experience you were either having to buy replacements every 3-6 months for most of them, or use them like they were just a normal length of rope.

 

In all honesty, if you want to secure your wheelie bins, go get a seatbelt out of a car that's being broken up and use that. if you're lucky you'll get it for free, Its stronger, will last longer, do the same job, but much better, and you'll be recycling 'repurposing' something that's being thrown away anyway - and not increasing the local waste pile by contributing to the hundreds if not thousands of knackered bungee cords that will get thrown away ever year if everybody takes the council's numpty advice.


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#173 Suffererof1crankymofo

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Posted 09 March 2018 - 01:05 AM

 

If I tie up my wheelie bin to stop it blowing away, does anyone know if the bin men will be re-tying wheelie bins back up to stop them blowing away ?

Or will I find my bins halfway down the road when I come home?

Who is liable for any damage caused by flying wheelie bin, the householder or council?

I notice that they bring this latest scheme out in the Spring when wind dying down.

Is this so when problems occur with the wind, they the council can say it has been working fine for last 7 months they can ignore the issue when gales really start to pick up again in October.

 

No - unless you use a bungee cord, they won't have time to untie and retie hundreds of wheelie bins daily.

 

You won't if you use a bungee cord, free and supplied with it.

 

You, it's your bin.  You don't have to accept the bin, but you do have to recycle.  If it is clear you are not recycling your waste will not be collected.

 


The law states that local authorities have a duty to promote recycling.  I'm still waiting for the SIC to quote the relevant statute which states I have to recycle.  The law also states that household waste has to be placed in suitable receptacles.



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Posted 09 March 2018 - 09:09 AM

When some peerie bairn get mowed down and seriously injured by a tearaway bin in a force 10 gale action may then be taken.

Question is taken against who ?

Would hate for that to happen, so planning will just have to give me a hard time if they don't like a reasonable bin store in my front garden.

Wind - Act of God
Owner of bin - Council
Instructions/ agreement on how to secure at kerbside and within your property, given individual circumstances - inadequate/ not given

I would say not you.

Edited by Space, 09 March 2018 - 09:17 AM.


#175 The Cutty Sark

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Posted 09 March 2018 - 10:40 AM

I've a lot of experience with wheelie bins in Scotland and England, at one house I had to deal with four different types; pink top, green, grey and black (they later brought in a blue I think).

 

The pink and the green had to go out every other Wednesday, the black or grey alternate Wednesdays. 

 

Putting the wrong materials in the wrong bins would raise a council warning, and if you continued, a fine.

 

If you lost yon bin it would cost you a £40 admin fee for a replacement.

 

The bin men just left them whereever and it was your responsibility to make sure they were back to your house and not causing a nuisance to pedestrians, or you could be fined.

 

If you had a garden you HAD to bring them back in your garden, otherwise you could be fined.

 

If you had a back entrance and alleyway to the house, then the wagon could not fit down so the bin men would take them to the end for emptying and you had to go bring them back to outside your back door, otherwise you could be fined. 

 

If the bin was too full and the top could not close properly, they would not take the bin (something to do with the wagon), and you had to empty much of it yourself, bag it and take it to the tip. If your waste was found to be blowing on to the road....you could be fined.

 

They certainly blew over in the Winter, not sure about rolling along, so I've a mind that this will be a common feature for Shetland.

 

The were certainly a source of fun for the local kids on Guy Fawkes night. Many a bin found its way to Valhalla. This might not be so much a common feature for Shetland.

 

Other than that. They were fine to use  :roll:



#176 ETLerwick

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Posted 09 March 2018 - 11:14 AM

"Recycling scheme off to 'strong start' up north"

 

Who Ray! This is truly positive news. Thanks to all.


Edited by ETLerwick, 09 March 2018 - 11:14 AM.

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#177 George.

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Posted 09 March 2018 - 12:38 PM

Who Ray! This is truly positive news. Thanks to all.

 

Job with the council? Your idea to inflict such a splendid idea upon us, even though it will be expensive, ineffective and yet another council-driven disaster? Trying to justify a stupid change to how the rubbish is collected less effectively than ever before?

 

By the way, it's spelt, "Hooray." Literacy is bliss.


Edited by George., 09 March 2018 - 12:42 PM.

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#178 Suffererof1crankymofo

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Posted 09 March 2018 - 01:37 PM

"Recycling scheme off to 'strong start' up north"

 

Who Ray! This is truly positive news. Thanks to all.

Well, it would appear someone has fallen for the spin.  I mean, less waste has got absolutely nothing to do with less boats = less on shelves in Grotescos now has it?  And just remember, the glorious expensive shed has NOT yet been built, hasn't as far as I can tell had got planning permission (unless that's done under automatically under delegated authority?), hasn't had a contractor appointed yet (or has it, because there's been no press announcement about that or has anyone seen local firms being able to tender for it?) which means all this lovely recycling is just going to be sitting waiting to be shipped down south.


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#179 The Cutty Sark

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Posted 09 March 2018 - 02:55 PM

I admire the sentiment. And I also applaud the concept.

 

But recycling certain materials is not an answer to the on-going issues of increased estrogen levels in our fresh water and our seas, the changing of sexes of certain species of animals and fish, and the release of other toxin chemicals that cause cancer through the release into consumable liquid and food. As much as manufacturers may produce supposedly BPA-free plastics, they are nothing but a canker on the planet and should not be recycled, they should be burnt and banned and never see the light of day again. 

 

Here is an idea I have got for the younger generation to lower plastics for the future. Instead of using plastic for milk and popular drinks, demand glass bottles. These can then be returned for a 5p a bottle, then washed and used again. Or have someone deliver the milk on an electric buggy and they can drop the full bottles off and pick up the empties, call them "milkmen/women", it was such a sensible system. Okay, big industry will have to stop making pointless over the top executive bonuses and profits, but the world would be a cleaner and more sustainable place.

 

The point I'm making, is that taking a poison, recycling it, and then creating another poison might feel good to the individual, but does nothing to clean the waters of the planet.

 

 

"Recycling scheme off to 'strong start' up north"

 

 

Who Ray! This is truly positive news. Thanks to all.


Edited by The Cutty Sark, 09 March 2018 - 03:11 PM.

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#180 Ghostrider

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Posted 09 March 2018 - 07:01 PM

"Recycling scheme off to 'strong start' up north"

 

Who Ray! This is truly positive news. Thanks to all.

 

Didn't you have a parental/guardian who taught you not to believe everything you read, especially when the statement is subjective, not objective.

 

Propagandaists move in mysterious ways, only question here is whether you've been taken in by one, or are one.


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