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#16 Urabug

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Posted 08 March 2018 - 03:37 PM

Just as a point of interest how many of our fishing boats have been built in Britain , and how much fishing gear is British.

 

I suspect that some of the UK "fishing companies"  have not been truly faithful in supporting there own country before going elsewhere !

 

But even so this does not give the government the right to trade away our territorial waters. 



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Posted 08 March 2018 - 04:35 PM

But even so this does not give the government the right to trade away our territorial waters. 

 

Dig Ted Heath out of his grave and tell him that he got it wrong.



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Posted 08 March 2018 - 05:24 PM

It's a good point.  I guess issues range from constant demarcation disputes right up until the 80s, ( and as you note )  fishing companies buying boats from other countries instead of the British shipbuilders. Capacity containment to over-come the issues with over-fishing in the 70s-80s hit returns and meaning countries didn't need to add as many ships to their fleets. And a hundred other reasons.

 

Mind you, the UK has over 1,100 fishing vessels built after 1980 that are 10 metres or more, with a dry tonnage of just under 300,000. So  I guess replacements would be far and few between with most work just being maintenance and repair.

 

 

Just as a point of interest how many of our fishing boats have been built in Britain , and how much fishing gear is British.

 

I suspect that some of the UK "fishing companies"  have not been truly faithful in supporting there own country before going elsewhere !

 

But even so this does not give the government the right to trade away our territorial waters. 

 

 


 


Edited by The Cutty Sark, 08 March 2018 - 05:35 PM.


#19 The Cutty Sark

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Posted 08 March 2018 - 05:34 PM

Feels a wee bit crass for my tastes. But if you have a Quija board, you give it a go and let us know how you get on  :thmbsup  

 

 

 

But even so this does not give the government the right to trade away our territorial waters. 

 

Dig Ted Heath out of his grave and tell him that he got it wrong.

 



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Posted 10 March 2018 - 09:38 AM

The Chancellor of the Exchequer Philip Hammond has come out and said he's open to bartering away fishing access to our waters in exchange for a better trade deal.
After the original betrayal by Ted Heath and his Tory government in the 70's, they're at it again with an extraordinary second betrayal on the cards for our fishing industry.
I had my doubts when I heard them harp on about taking back control, seems to me they're only taking back control for as long as it takes to barter it all away again to protect their interests in the city of London.
What's that old proverb...
Fool me once, shame on you.
Fool me twice, shame on me.

#21 George.

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Posted 10 March 2018 - 09:51 AM

The Chancellor of the Exchequer Philip Hammond has come out and said he's open to bartering away fishing access to our waters in exchange for a better trade deal.

 

I can't say that I'm surprised. After all, Westminster only looks after itself.



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Posted 10 March 2018 - 11:26 AM

I don't like Phillip Hammond as a politician, but, that was not said by him, your quoting a newspaper interpretation, which might be a true interpretation of course.

 

He said, "We're very clear on taking control of our waters. But of course we are still open to discussing with our EU partners the appropriate arrangements for reciprocal access for our fishermen to EU waters and EU fishermen to ours. We would negotiate the basis on which such an arrangement would be fair and appropriate to us".

 

This is born from the fact that the UK exports approximately 650,000 tonnes of its fish, of which nearly 500,000 tonnes goes to EU countries. Unless we find someone else willing to take the additional 500,000 tonnes, then we need a fair and better deal along with a fisheries and maritime management policy that ensures a relevant quota for our fishing fleets in our own waters, we have to have ownership our own waters and our policy, which doesn't mean we can't share them if it is beneficial to do so. Unless the suggestion is to just "close shop" and not trade with the EU at all, which would be utter madness.

 

But I'm still pretty confident that all this is a pointless and time wasting exercise for Scotland in the longer term. I have no doubt we will be thrown into independence on nothing more than generalised anglo-phobia and the promise of getting back into Europe, and there, we will make deals on fishing rights to enable us to be accepted into Europe and the Eurozone.  (You read it here first people!!!! ha ha, seriously, who the f*** really knows   :rofl: )

 

 

The Chancellor of the Exchequer Philip Hammond has come out and said he's open to bartering away fishing access to our waters in exchange for a better trade deal.


Edited by The Cutty Sark, 10 March 2018 - 11:27 AM.


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Posted 10 March 2018 - 03:53 PM

 

I don't like Phillip Hammond as a politician......

 

When was any Tory a politician, as opposed to a leech doing no more tan the very best for himself?


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Posted 12 March 2018 - 12:11 AM

I want a share of some land in Spain so as I can grow some grapes,make some wine then sell it to Tesco.

 

Well why not if the Spaniards want to share our waters then they should be prepared to share their grapevines. :rofl:



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Posted 12 March 2018 - 06:53 AM

Some Euronumpty was quoted (allegedly) by some media outlet as stating that the EU might be amenable to a trade deal if 'the current reciprocal fisheries poicy was maintained'.

 

Since when in the last 45 year has anything ever been 'reciprocated'.

 

You can see Spanish, Dutch and French boats swittlin athin wir ebb most days, Danes and Irish frequently, and you even see the odd German or Swede aff an on. One or two of ours have maybe had an occasional dip in Irish briney, but how many times has a Shetland boat so much as had the opportunity to fish Swedish, Danish, Dutch, German, Belgian, French, Portuguese or Spanish water?

 

Maybe the media outlet was just padding out their story by putting words in mouths that were never said, but if not can somebody elaborate on where, when and how this alleged 'reciprocity' has been supposed to be happening as I've not been aware of any. They come and take gratis as much as they can get away with taking, then begrudingly buy a bit more to top it off.....We get sausage all for gratis of them.....


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#26 The Cutty Sark

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Posted 12 March 2018 - 09:56 AM

Normally I would give a set of facts and figures to dispute this, but it's difficult to disagree.

 

Spain especially receives most from the EU fishing subsidies and it's fleet represents nearly one fourth of all of the EU's fishing fleet combined. The British Government have constantly been at odds with Spain over fishing around Gibraltar and our own waters.

 

The "EU" (i.e. Spain and the Dutch especially, though also Chinese factory trawlers) are also allowing an almost "colonial" form of illegal infringement on the fishing grounds of West Africa because they have depleted their own stocks. If Spain and the Dutch are allowed to over-fish in those seas as well, it would risk the jobs of over a million African fishermen, and we all know what happened off the coast of Somalia once the fishing industry was taken away by illegal fishing. 

 

The EU should be punishing and not rewarding illegal and poor fishing practices whereever it happens. Spain is in this position because in the 1990s (despite warnings by the British Government and British Fishermen), it was landing fish well below size (hake could be commonly found at only 14cm! For non-fishertypes, this is a extremely young fish), and  the EU completely "ignored" a Westminster whitepaper that proved this. Now these same groups are rewarded by the EU who "turn a blind eye" to their encroachment of other waters and not just the UKs.  It's an absolute disgrace.

 

  

 

Some Euronumpty was quoted (allegedly) by some media outlet as stating that the EU might be amenable to a trade deal if 'the current reciprocal fisheries poicy was maintained'.

 

Since when in the last 45 year has anything ever been 'reciprocated'.

 

You can see Spanish, Dutch and French boats swittlin athin wir ebb most days, Danes and Irish frequently, and you even see the odd German or Swede aff an on. One or two of ours have maybe had an occasional dip in Irish briney, but how many times has a Shetland boat so much as had the opportunity to fish Swedish, Danish, Dutch, German, Belgian, French, Portuguese or Spanish water?

 

Maybe the media outlet was just padding out their story by putting words in mouths that were never said, but if not can somebody elaborate on where, when and how this alleged 'reciprocity' has been supposed to be happening as I've not been aware of any. They come and take gratis as much as they can get away with taking, then begrudingly buy a bit more to top it off.....We get sausage all for gratis of them.....


Edited by The Cutty Sark, 12 March 2018 - 09:57 AM.


#27 George.

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Posted 12 March 2018 - 04:29 PM

The EU should be punishing and not rewarding illegal and poor fishing practices whereever it happens.

 

The EU should be punishing, and not rewarding, any fishing that is being seen as illegal and poor - or so they claim. Unfortunately, any fishing that is seen as less than totally beneficial to Europe, as opposed to what Westminsrter calls "Britain", will be seen to be wrong - by them.



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Posted 12 March 2018 - 05:13 PM

That's correct.  Spain and the Dutch have destroyed their respective fishing grounds, and they are "rewarded" with the EU turning a blind eye to its activities on the West coast of Africa. The EU are turning back into the Holy Roman Empire with each passing year ( oooohhh, controversial  :twisted:  )

 

 

 

The EU should be punishing and not rewarding illegal and poor fishing practices whereever it happens.

 

The EU should be punishing, and not rewarding, any fishing that is being seen as illegal and poor - or so they claim. Unfortunately, any fishing that is seen as less than totally beneficial to Europe, as opposed to what Westminsrter calls "Britain", will be seen to be wrong - by them.

 



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Posted 12 March 2018 - 08:08 PM

 oooohhh, controversial  :twisted:  

 

Controversial - or the truth, or perhaps just what they choose to tell us, Westminster included.



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Posted 12 March 2018 - 08:12 PM

That's correct.  Spain and the Dutch have destroyed their respective fishing grounds, and they are "rewarded" with the EU turning a blind eye to its activities on the West coast of Africa. The EU are turning back into the Holy Roman Empire with each passing year ( oooohhh, controversial  :twisted:  )

 

An unholy satanic marriage of Soviet Communism and National Socialism more like, and not 'turning', 'turned' since circa 1990.

 

'73 folk feared Continentals would fish to our beaches and clean out everything that swam, '90 folk feared what would grow out of re-unification when the wall came down......Don't you just hate it when the worst nighmares of crystal ball gazers come true twice in a row.....