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#1 wotsit

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Posted 05 May 2018 - 10:02 AM

Can anyone tell me how the council came to a cost of 1 million for 1Km of foot/cycle path for going round the Clickimin (according to the news). This seems a bit extravagant for small bit of tarmac ?

Who was on the make on this one?

#2 George.

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Posted 05 May 2018 - 11:46 AM

Just be grateful that they've decided not to build a foot/cycle path from Lerwick to Scalloway. It was estimated to cost £6,000,000 for a 3.7 mile path that you could walk your bike along.



#3 wotsit

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Posted 05 May 2018 - 01:02 PM

Surely it shouldn’t cost any where near that amount for either?

AMillion pounds a Km, someone has been lining their pockets more than just a little profit, all this nonsense surely has to stop. Too many greedy people and back scratching.
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Posted 05 May 2018 - 04:57 PM

Surely it shouldn’t cost any where near that amount for either?

 

That's what the S. I. C. has put forward as the cost. I'm sure that they're good at something, but I don't know what.



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Posted 06 May 2018 - 05:34 AM

^ Cherry picking facts and data to support what they've already decided, seems to be the one they're best at these days. That, and always going for the Rolls Royce option for everything, even if it only applies to the price, and they're ending up with a wobbly old ratty shed or two - like the White House and school.


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#6 Colin

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Posted 06 May 2018 - 08:58 AM

It's the mentality of some officials that is, possibly, the main problem here in so much as, if it's not their idea, they are going to p*ss on it if they can but, having said that, and, speaking as someone who used to cycle Scalloway > Lerwick and back on a regular basis, putting in a cycle track would indeed be pretty expensive and it would be unlikely to make the journey any "easier".

 

You can't just take a bit of the existing road away from other vehicles, you have to widen it to accommodate cycles. 

This means that you will almost certainly have to acquire the extra land and/or maybe re-align the road then, there would be some major engineering required in many places as there is not enough "flat" ground alongside the road so you would have to dig out a lot of sections and fill in a lot of other sections..  All this stuff costs but, whether it would cost 7 million, I do not know and, whatever it costs , it would be quite a large spend just to accommodate a very small percentage of the population who like to ride their cyces in the summer.

 

If they (SIC) really want to spend money on cyclists, why not put in some cycle tunnels between different places?  By their nature, they would be relatively flat, more economical to install(?),away from the worst of the weather, a lot cheaper to maintain(?) and a lot safer as they would keep cyclists away from other traffic.


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#7 Wheelsup

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Posted 06 May 2018 - 03:07 PM

When we wanted a football pitch, we got a bit of land, and then the players came out and worked the ground. There might have been a grant from the council to help with land purchase. Similarly we built miles of peat hill road with the peatcutters as labour. Ok that was probably 3 decades ago.
Surely if the acquire the land and the council donated road metal and chips the cyclists could turn out and provide the labour.

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Posted 06 May 2018 - 04:57 PM

Surely if the acquire the land and the council donated road metal and chips the cyclists could turn out and provide the labour.

 

Remember what the coucil tax that you pay is supposed to cover. Why provide free labour?



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Posted 06 May 2018 - 09:31 PM

If they (SIC) really want to spend money on cyclists, why not put in some cycle tunnels between different places? 

 

Lerwick to Bressay?



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Posted 07 May 2018 - 10:58 AM

If the track goes via the South road, will they be considering using the old road at the Hollanders Knowe which maybe could link onto the existing old road between Sandyloch and Staney Hill (going around the back of Sandy Loch?) or if the North Road, the old road between the Scord and Brig o Fitch. I can only assume with the high costs, none of these current tracks have been incorporated to enable costs to be kept down?

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Posted 07 May 2018 - 06:48 PM

I remember being asked some years ago to provide a quote for work on a number of council houses.
One of the houses I was told had been done by the DLO but they were far too expensive.

Isn't that a damning indictment of their own workforce? What this man was saying was that their
own council workers took too long so they had to ask a private company.

So as far as I'm concerned the ludicrous figure for a cycle path is probably costed on the average
output of the DLO.

Why are there so many council employees if the council cant afford to hand them contracts?

#12 wotsit

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Posted 07 May 2018 - 06:54 PM

It really does appear stupid amount of money, I don’t think anyone minds paying for an honest day hard work with a little bit of profit on top, anything else is just wrong.
More people allow this happen with or without back scratching it continues.

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Posted 08 May 2018 - 08:16 AM

Can anyone tell me how the council came to a cost of 1 million for 1Km of foot/cycle path for going round the Clickimin (according to the news). This seems a bit extravagant for small bit of tarmac ?

Who was on the make on this one?

 

Does anyone remember which company built the Clickimin pathway?



#14 Ghostrider

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Posted 08 May 2018 - 09:17 AM

 

Can anyone tell me how the council came to a cost of 1 million for 1Km of foot/cycle path for going round the Clickimin (according to the news). This seems a bit extravagant for small bit of tarmac ?

Who was on the make on this one?

 

Does anyone remember which company built the Clickimin pathway?

 

 

I would hazard a guess that the cost of land aquisition, site surveys, creating engineering and design blueprints, along with the merry go round through finance, planning, legal, admin and god knows what else council office to make sure all the t's were crossed and i's dotted on every document, however superfluous, along with the overseeing and managing of the contact while it was ongoing swallowed up far, far more of the Million than the cheque the contractor got for the actual work.....Unless someone knows otherwise???

 

Spending money with nothing to show for it is easy, and the Council are experts at it. Its especially easy when professionals (allegedly) in one SIC department are charging out their time at theoretical commercial rates to some other SIC department - Its an exercise in one head of the monster stealing food from the plates feeding the other heads of itself, even though it all ends up in one belly and all the plates are all filled from one pot in one kitchen. All it achieves is creating un-necessary costs in having to pay more bean counters and scribes to keep track on what route it all takes, and make sure the numbers tally as it goes.

 

I seem to think it was Tulloch's who did the actual work on the ground, either along with or just before doing the school groundwork and the new merry go round at Lochside, but don't quote me on that.


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#15 Scorrie

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Posted 08 May 2018 - 06:57 PM

There appears to be large swathes of tarmaced access routes already in place all over Shetland.

 

Perhaps the cyclists could use those?



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Posted 21 May 2018 - 10:13 AM

I see the cost of the cycle path to Hoswick was £53,000. must be half a km at least. seems a lot cheaper than the Clickhimin or Scalloway price! perhaps thy could get the same people to price the rest?



#17 wotsit

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Posted 21 May 2018 - 06:51 PM

Maybe something for the community at Hoswick gets a more favourable quote than the COuncil would get.

Or maybe the money is coming out of a different fund so they ramp up the price because it is coming out of a school project half paid for with the Scottish Government ?

#18 Colin

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Posted 21 May 2018 - 08:41 PM

Maybe it's not such a great idea to try and figure out just how the council comes up with numbers.... :ponders:



#19 Wheelsup

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Posted 22 May 2018 - 07:31 AM

Perhaps its being overpriced so they dont have to undertake it.. Perhaps the cycling community should get together and get quotes and grants themselves, if that's what they actually want.



#20 MuckleJoannie

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Posted 22 May 2018 - 09:45 PM

Sustrans fund cycle paths in Scotland. They put up some of the money for the path in Hoswick and are keen to have more involvement in Shetland.

 

https://www.sustrans.org.uk/scotland