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#46 redrobbie

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Posted 01 June 2018 - 08:24 PM

7 other news outlets reported from out side Leeds court on the grooming trial going on inside . Only Tommy Robinson was arrested and sent to jail . Here is a video of just one of them doing exactly what Tommy did . 



#47 KOYAANISQATSI

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Posted 01 June 2018 - 10:59 PM

Tommy left the EDL, long time ago because of racist elements hijacking it.
He and many others though, are primarily concerned with the appeasement of Islam and the ever increasing Islamification of Britain.
Islam is not a race. It is a religion but it is much more than that. It is an ideology, a legal system and inherently a blueprint for conquer and domination.
You may now have noted the lack of other religions which carry out terrorist attacks, as directed by that religion and on direct command of Allah and Muhammad.
The establishment and leftist media smear Tommy Robinson but those who slander him, generally know nothing about him and you can be pretty sure they have never heard of Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Douglas Murray, or the many others speaking out; including many Ex-Muslims, living in fear of their lives in the UK.
It can take a while to fully understand the real dangers of Islam on a societal and now global level but it is very real and this goes far beyond grooming gangs and the odd truck of peace.
It's not about Muslims being good or bad... Muslims are just people... Islam however is lethal in it's fruition.
The most moderate of Islamic country's like Kuwait will imprison anyone who leaves Islam and in places like Pakistan; to even attempt to speak against it means your life.
Tommy is largely irrelevant here in truth but the media, politicians and police used him as a poster child to slander as the uncouth, racist, face of Britain and because the days of things like the national front are still fresh in everyone's memory; they assumed the public would buy their spiel wholesale. The internet and the alternative media changed this and it is now blowing up in their faces and the Streisand effect does the rest.

​Many have warned of this drive to tar and censor anyone who goes against "accepted truths" ending up having the opposite effect and I have watched with dismay, the rise of the ethno nationalist 'Alt Right' in the shadows of other forbidden talking points.
It is hard to get any reasonable response to unpopular topics like this and others when slamming against a wall of rationalised hatred, driven by a well meaning but ideologically driven or largely uninformed audience.
Unfortunately when the Andrew Breitbarts are denied a platform for long enough, the Anders breivics eventually make the stage.

Islam CAN NOT be reformed but I do have faith that enough individual Muslims can be reached to force the change, badly needed to the final word of god before it is too late.
A synthesis and solution is possible in this information age but no one will be happy if we balls this one up. However, some things are going to have to be realised, talked about, challenged and changed to avoid a disaster in the west of unprecedented proportions.
Nodding along to Teresa May and Jeremy Corbyn saying "Islam is a religion of peace", calling Tommy Robinson an muckle sphincter or picking fights with innocent Muslims, isn't going to change a goddamn thing in the end.
To quote the late Christopher Hitchens... "You are either for theocratic dictatorship or you are against it"
A choice is presented.



Edited by KOYAANISQATSI, 01 June 2018 - 11:27 PM.


#48 KOYAANISQATSI

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Posted 01 June 2018 - 11:11 PM



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Posted 01 June 2018 - 11:12 PM



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Posted 02 June 2018 - 12:03 AM

Numerous subjects, this one included can no longer be discussed and questioned, calmly, respectfully and politely in today's society, for being shouted down and anybody that dared raise them be accused of one or more 'ism' or being one or more kind of a 'phobe'.

 

When a society finds itself no longer able to frankly and fully address any subject whatsover that affects it, that society is in peril, and breaking down, with democracy little more but a sham.

 

We are currently experiencing 'Thought Police - Level 1' - The oppression of all other opinions and perspectives than the 'approved' one(s).



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Posted 02 June 2018 - 08:33 AM

Stirring up hatred on the grounds of: Race, Religion or Sexual Orientation is Illegal.
I'm no lawyer but that looks like the line in the sand where freedom of expression and the right to protest ends.

Edited by Capeesh, 02 June 2018 - 08:38 AM.


#52 redrobbie

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Posted 02 June 2018 - 09:42 AM

Good article from Douglas Murray about this case https://www.national...tes-journalist/


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#53 redrobbie

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Posted 02 June 2018 - 09:44 AM

Stirring up hatred on the grounds of: Race, Religion or Sexual Orientation is Illegal.
I'm no lawyer but that looks like the line in the sand where freedom of expression and the right to protest ends.

The Government is planning to bring in even more draconian ''hate'' laws that will include 6 years in prison  for anyone how says things they don't like

.   http://www.dailymail...onths-jail.html


Edited by redrobbie, 02 June 2018 - 09:57 AM.


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Posted 02 June 2018 - 09:48 AM

The SNP now plan to make sexism and ageism a hate crime punishable by jail . Thanks Frankie Boyle f------ then . http://www.heraldsco..._go_far_enough/   In London there is now a 900 strong team dedicated to monitoring online ''hate crime''  https://twitter.com/...9635584?lang=en


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#55 Ghostrider

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Posted 02 June 2018 - 01:55 PM

Stirring up hatred on the grounds of: Race, Religion or Sexual Orientation is Illegal.
I'm no lawyer but that looks like the line in the sand where freedom of expression and the right to protest ends.

 

Which is how it should be, and its all turds and giggles until someone or group arbitarily redraws that line at a different place for themselves than everybody else, or some other group does it for them, and insists everybody else adheres to it, or they set on with all the wailing and gnashing of teeth about 'discrimination' when anybody politely and quite rightly tries to point out that by redrawing that line they're discriminating against everybody else, which is the place we seem to be at in the present.

 

It gained ground in the 80's when looney leftie London Councils insisted their payrolls contained the decided percentage of one legged lesbians of colour and every other 'minority' going, despite the fact as often as not there were others from across the board better qualified for the position, and no one legged lesbians of colour interested in it, and were allowed to get away with it. That now has grown in to a monster where individuals and groups are abusing the principle of anti-discrimination by doing things that may be acceptable in some country or society, or maybe not, but are very definitely not acceptable in ours, and then play the 'culture', 'race', 'religion' card to try and get off with it, or at least minimise it, and jump up and down about 'discrimination' if they don't.

 

If a Brit moves to most Middle Eastern countries and is seen drinking alcohol, or in the case of a woman, walks down the street in a mini skirt and low cut top, they'll have there ass thrown in jail for a long time. Yet if someone from the Middle East moves here some of them at least appear to expect to be vrtually immune from the things we prohibit that are 'normal' where they come from - that's a 'heads I win, tails you lose' situation, for them, and discriminatory against the rest of us.

 

Multi-culturalism is not working out quite as the plan said it would, as a society we need to openly, politely and respectfully discuss the problem areas. Shouting down anybody with accusations of one 'ism' or 'phobe' or another if they so much dare as raise a point that falls even slightly short of praise of how things are, and a Government and justiciary who seem more interested in pandering to whoever shouts loudest and makes most fuss to gloss over it, and quietly sweeping as much under the carpet as they can, can only make things go from bad to worse.

 

A neglected wound will only grow - If multi-culturism and mimimal discrimination is to work, equality needs to be seen to be coming down from the top, and issues need to be thrashed out at ground level and mutual respect established. Favouritism, actual or perceived coming down from the top, and attempted to be enforced with a big stick, can only feed resentment, deepen divides and reinforce a them and us climate on the ground.

 

Equality needs to be seen to be applied, when one group regardless whether they are identifiable by race, culture, gender, sexual orientation or whatever behaves in a certain way towards others and nobody bats an eyelid, yet when others return the compliment they are accused of 'stirring hatred', you have the untenable situation we have right now.

 

You needn't look further than that Robinson video, the old Bill lifted Robinson for breach of the peace, fine, but did they lift the dude who hurled abuse at Robinson, not as far as anyone knows. I fail to see how they weren't at least as bad as each other in what they said and did, so why the different, and apparent preferential/discriminatory treatment?

 

As long as we all see daily examples of that kind of thing going on, the situation can only deterioriate.


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#56 redrobbie

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Posted 02 June 2018 - 02:05 PM

Here is a recent case where a girl was convicted of a hate crime because she posted a rap video .https://www.bbc.co.u...eyside-43816921



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Posted 03 June 2018 - 02:03 AM

  • "I regard free speech as a prerequisite to a civilized society, because freedom of speech means that you can have combat with words. That's what it means. It doesn't mean that people can happily and gently exchange opinions. It means that we can engage in combat with words, in the battleground of ideas. And the reason that that's acceptable, and why it's acceptable that people's feelings get hurt during that combat, is that the combat of ideas is far preferable to actual combat."
    - Jordan Peterson

    Freedom of speech isn't there for people who only want to hear things that they agree with.
    If you allow state power to arbitrate and take punitive action against anyone who crosses anyone else's subjective truth line about what is offensive to them as an individual, you better be sure about the higher moral authority of the people you give this power to, or you may find such broad terms as 'hate speech' being used very selectively and not for any kind of greater good.

    It is narrated in the hadith that the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “The Hour will not begin until you fight the Jews, until a Jew will hide behind a rock or a tree, and the rock or tree will say: ‘O Muslim, O slave of Allah, here is a Jew behind me; come and kill him"

    Sooner or later there is going to be a glaring anomaly in the paradox of tolerance, if such things are allowed to be taught to children, with the blessing of the moral and cultural relevance of leftist thinking, which now protects such teachings with a passion and billy club on speed dial.

    There is a difference between inciting violence and upsetting someone's feelings and there should be a difference between societal consequences and legal ones depending.
    The road to hell can indeed be paved with the very best of intentions but people don't generally think that their own good intentions could ever take such a route and your average social justice warrior, will happily vote in those who they think align with their own "progressive" values. in the firm belief that any argument against them, could only be that delivered by some kind of hateful Nazi...
    and here we are!



     


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Posted 03 June 2018 - 07:14 AM

"Freedom of speech isn't there for people who only want to hear things that they agree with."

 

Never were truer words spoken....



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Posted 03 June 2018 - 08:12 AM

Freedom of speech isn't there for people who only want to hear things that they agree with.

 

Far too often we hear no more than people coming out with only what they like to hear. It regularly shows mankinds ignorance regarding free speeech and what we write here on Shetlink is regularly proof of this.



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Posted 03 June 2018 - 10:09 AM

"It is narrated in the hadith that the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “The Hour will not begin until you fight the Jews, until a Jew will hide behind a rock or a tree, and the rock or tree will say: ‘O Muslim, O slave of Allah, here is a Jew behind me; come and kill him"

 

If these are the true words of the hadith then, does anyone else think (given the current climate) that parts of it should be scrutinised and "redacted" before it can be read in this country ?

 

Apart from the brazen reference to slavery, sounds like "hate speech" to me....