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#41 Ghostrider

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Posted 11 July 2018 - 05:40 PM

Get the tins in tonight for the big game.

 

Of paint? Yes, I have them, so that I can watch it drying.

 

It'll be so much more interesting and entertaining than watching 20 windbags kicking a bag of wind around a field. :twisted:



#42 BigMouth

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Posted 28 July 2018 - 12:44 PM

To become a public rep on the Licensing forum you just need to volunteer. That's how I got on it, along with another public rep by the name of Jimmy. I left after a couple of years as a new manager at work wouldn’t let me take the time off to attend. A couple of years later she left so I re-applied, but was turned down. Perhaps they had enough public reps already?

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Posted 28 July 2018 - 01:07 PM

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Posted 28 July 2018 - 02:15 PM

You have obviously spotted a difference between the Board and the Forum.

The forum tends to be made up of licensees, a public health official and a couple of public reps.

The Board is mostly made up of SIC officers.
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Posted 28 July 2018 - 10:07 PM

^ Yup, too much speed reading, and the fact the 'Forum' seems to have been off radar until its recent somewhat controversial comments in the press, despite apparently having been in existence for a decade.

 

 

Not sure I see the need for or purpose of the Forum - it comes off sounding like there's a high risk of it ending up being an unaccountable talking shop with the public reps (Nothing personal, but, whose reasons for being on it may or may not make them representative of the public in general) attempting to referee/mediate/find middle ground between the other two polar opposite factions. All just to advise another talking shop, whose members really should be researching and getting clued up on the issues involved themselves.

 

It would be helpful if there was more info published about the Forum, who the members are, how to become a member, and what its remit and powers are. As it seems the only info available online is the SIC announcement over 10 years ago that they were attempting to establish it. Which, is less info than your average person knows about the Masons.



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Posted 30 July 2018 - 07:22 AM

No-one on the Licensing forum was paid, and were there to represent their own views. Licencees were generally trying to extend their opening hours, and others were trying to reduce what was seen as over-provision, anti-social behaviour and vandalism. Live near the Street and you soon find out how miserable it can be with people, drunk and shouting well into the early hours every weekend.

My point of view was that we should improve the state of places serving drink. This was nearly a decade ago, and through natural evolution we have seen improvements, not that I claim any influence over this. Mooney's Wake has closed to be demolished and replaced by housing. A bar has closed down in the street, but The Dowry has opened, which seems very popular. The new Golden Coach was previously a very smart bar. Oslas is being converted into something much better.

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Posted 14 August 2018 - 08:57 PM

Well, thanks to the Shetland News, we now know who some of the current membership of this enigmatic 'Shetland Licensing Forum' are...

 

http://www.shetnews....tion-would-work

 

Elizabeth Robinson - NHS.

 

Debbie Leask - Wheel.

 

Erik Burgess - Dowry.

 

Bryan Peterson - Wha's he......Name seems a peerie bit familiar. :ponders:

 

Stephen Leask - SIC Councillor.

 

Sonny Thomason - MSYP.



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Posted 14 August 2018 - 09:15 PM

Might be Bryan Peterson that bides at Hoswick (Sandwick). He's something to do with music at the Mareel I think. He's the son of Brydon Peterson of Lerwick & grandson of the late Willie Peterson (auctioneer) I believe. Just a guess.

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Posted 14 August 2018 - 10:03 PM

Dat'll be me!

 

Here's an article outlining the purposes of the Licensing Forums - https://www.gov.scot.../04/13093458/16

 

I was invited to attend several years back as someone with knowledge of the music scene (not to represent Shetland Arts specifically). The meetings are during the day so I don't get to many. 



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Posted 14 August 2018 - 10:25 PM

All the documents relating to the Shetland Licensing Forum are on the SIC website [*mod edit to fix link*] Go to -> https://www.shetland...earchPublic.asp enter ​'licensing forum' into the keywords box and hit search.



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Posted 14 August 2018 - 11:30 PM

^Good guess then!
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#52 Suffererof1crankymofo

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Posted 14 August 2018 - 11:54 PM

All the documents relating to the Shetland Licensing Forum are on the SIC website - https://www.shetland...earchPublic.asp

Nope, comes up with an error.  Did another search and whilst it comes up with documents for the Licensing Board, I can't see listed anything specifically related to just the Licensing Forum ... or perhaps I'm just being a thicko?



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Posted 15 August 2018 - 12:11 AM

Hmm, something funny going on there.

 

The long way round is to go here -> https://www.shetland...earchPublic.asp - enter 'licensing forum' into the keywords box, tick the 'exact phrase' checkbox and hit search. It'll probably take a little digging through the results



#54 Suffererof1crankymofo

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Posted 15 August 2018 - 02:10 AM

@ peeriebryan

Thanks, but my point still remains, in that there doesn't appear to be a sub-committee/section heading just for the Licensing Forum and the documents appear to be those that are presented at joint meetings or are produced as a joint entity in conjunction with the Licensing Board ... so when does the Licensing Forum meet on its own to discuss what they, as a forum, are going to present to the Licensing Board?  In a nutshell, it isn't very transparent.



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Posted 15 August 2018 - 01:37 PM

Since booze is on the agenda, what about up helly a ?

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Posted 15 August 2018 - 02:57 PM

Since booze is on the agenda, what about up helly a ?


My understanding is that the onus is placed on the guisers to pace themselves (drinkwise) & for the squad leaders to oversee that they do. Not an easy task I'm sure but I believe that consequences for any bad behaviour are more likely to be faced these days. That is at a guess, answering to the Up Helly A committee & potentially losing your place in your squad. I'm sure there will be someone on Shetlink involved in the event that could confirm or deny this.
I personally think that if there are restrictions on alcohol consumption put in place (more than whatever is/if there is at present) that it would be an unnecessary dampner on the night for many. For the folk who are non or light drinkers there is no compulsion for them to change their habit for the night. I think it would be best to leave well alone.
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Posted 15 August 2018 - 03:42 PM

Well, thanks to the Shetland News, we now know who some of the current membership of this enigmatic 'Shetland Licensing Forum' are...

 

http://www.shetnews....tion-would-work

 

Elizabeth Robinson - NHS.

 

Debbie Leask - Wheel.

 

Erik Burgess - Dowry.

 

Bryan Peterson - Wha's he......Name seems a peerie bit familiar. :ponders:

 

Stephen Leask - SIC Councillor.

 

Sonny Thomason - MSYP.

 

 

 

 

Pretty sure these folk are not all on the 'licensing forum'.  I think some of them could just be the ones who turned up as many licensed premises were asked to.



#58 peeriebryan

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Posted 25 August 2018 - 10:29 PM

@ peeriebryan

Thanks, but my point still remains, in that there doesn't appear to be a sub-committee/section heading just for the Licensing Forum and the documents appear to be those that are presented at joint meetings or are produced as a joint entity in conjunction with the Licensing Board ... so when does the Licensing Forum meet on its own to discuss what they, as a forum, are going to present to the Licensing Board?  In a nutshell, it isn't very transparent.

 

The meetings are quarterly, with one annual meeting between the Licensing Forum and the Licensing Board.

Fair point re: the how the forum papers are presented on the SIC website. I'll raise that with the chair.



#59 Suffererof1crankymofo

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Posted 26 August 2018 - 01:42 PM

@ peeriebryan

 

Thanks for that; however, I'm struggling (perhaps because of the way the SIC set up their website) to find a single document from solely the Licensing Forum.  Do they keep meeting minutes or meeting notes of their meetings?  Are these on the SIC website?  Where are these meetings held?  Can the public attend?  If not, why not?

 

I appreciate that you can't necessarily speak for the Licensing Forum and perhaps you'd consider raising these points with them.



#60 peeriebryan

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Posted 26 August 2018 - 02:42 PM

Those are all fair questions.

 

Meetings are in the Town Hall and the public can attend.

 

My communications with the forum secretary are via email so I can't say for sure how widely any documents are distributed or meetings publicised.

 

I shall inquire and post back here.


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