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The Local NHS.....Paths......and a *Shelter*.....


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#21 Suffererof1crankymofo

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Posted 11 September 2018 - 10:12 PM

From the Failbook page:

"The funding was actually awarded for a bid we made to the Scottish Natural Heritage who have funding awards to look at using “greenspace” within and around hospital grounds to best advantage for patients, visitors and staff, given the benefits of accessing nature to health, healing, decreasing stress etc. So the kinds of projects it can be spent on is quite limited, and the kind of thing not usually a priority in the NHS budget. Because a big part of the aim of the project is to increase use by staff the voting is open to staff, yes."

 


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#22 Suffererof1crankymofo

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Posted 11 September 2018 - 10:17 PM

Does the land even belong to them?  Do they own up to the wall, the footpath, or to the sea?



#23 Ghostrider

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Posted 11 September 2018 - 10:57 PM

Meanwhile......

 

http://www.shetnews....ed-over-fatigue


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#24 Colin

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Posted 11 September 2018 - 11:11 PM

To be fair, and as far as I am concerned, I only have praise for the NHS "frontline" staff.  It's the "airheads" that polish seats in the background that seem to be the problem.

 

They need to get back to basics and remember that they really ARE running a "lifeline service".

 

Anyway, I would have thought that erecting shelters along public footpaths was more within the SIC's remit rather than the NHS who, as far as I know, are not directly responsible for any of them.  Why settle for a shelter that cost a few thousand when you could have one that costs millions... :ponders:


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#25 Nigel Bridgman-Elliot

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Posted 11 September 2018 - 11:14 PM

> they don't like to notice the others ;-)

I saw the others, I thought they was rather prone to catching the wind !
 

 

One aspect often not thought of I notice when claiming free money for projects is future maintenance issues, eg. you want something robust that isn't going to bleed you dry later on when you need to keep it functional.


I think my favourite is the public toilet looking one referred to by ghostrider, it has a seat, allows you a view with the lower front section, some wind shielding, and has a modern art swirlly look about it to please the creative types..

No roof though..

But then as someone said, do we want to encourage folk to take shelter !

 



#26 Davie P

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Posted 12 September 2018 - 12:08 AM

For the record, I think 'Healthy Shetland' do a great job.

 

I had excellent support from them to give up smoking, I've been to a couple of workplace training events they've hosted and I took part in their 'Big Team Challenge' a year to two ago (a friendly competition to encourage people to take more exercise). These initiatives have certainly had a very positive impact on my health, which will (hopefully) mean I'll be less of a draw on frontline resources!!

 

Encouraging people to lead healthier lifestyles is a vital part of the NHS function. As they say, prevention is better than cure.


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#27 George.

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Posted 12 September 2018 - 12:27 AM

It's the "airheads" that polish seats in the background that seem to be the problem.

Comments like that, surprisingly, always bring the S. I. C. to mind. It's the "Airheads" that do it, I think.


Edited by George., 12 September 2018 - 12:28 AM.


#28 Davie P

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Posted 12 September 2018 - 01:01 AM

Another "SIC are idiots" comment with no context =  :roll:



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Posted 12 September 2018 - 07:17 AM

 

 

I'm left wondering how this proposed shelter will be 'healthy' - considering its most prolific users are most likely to be alkis looking to get pissed and sleep it off in relative peace, smackheads shooting up and adolescent teens performing carnal experimentation.

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Yeah but they'll be doing it in the healthy sea air with the benefit of a good view, so good for the soul!

 

 

I think I'd prefer it if the NHS did the job properly they're there to do, look after bodies, and leave the looking after souls to those more specialised in that field.

 

Isn't that is what this is doing? Encouraging people in the hospital to get out and have a walk and a bit of fresh air is surely a good thing.

I walk around there quite a lot and don't see the alkies, smackheads and adolescent teens that you describe. 


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Posted 12 September 2018 - 07:27 AM

For the record, I think 'Healthy Shetland' do a great job.

 

Encouraging people to lead healthier lifestyles is a vital part of the NHS function. As they say, prevention is better than cure.

 

A "positive" comment !  Just what is this place coming to ? :thmbsup

 

NITPICKING ON

I would, however, argue that "Encouraging people to lead healthier lifestyles" is NOT a vital part of the NHS function. 

It might, these days, be part (?) of their function but, "fixing broken bodies" should be (and probably is) much higher up the list.

NITPICKING OFF

 

Anyway, my vote would be for the "stone pimple" looking one.  As NBE pointed out, if you are going to build something that has to stand out in the weather, build something that WILL stand out in the weather.



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Posted 12 September 2018 - 07:37 AM

^ my word, a balanced response to a positive comment - what indeed is this place coming too!   :thmbsup


Edited by Davie P, 12 September 2018 - 07:37 AM.

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Posted 12 September 2018 - 12:46 PM

^ my word, a balanced response to a positive comment - what indeed is this place coming too!   :thmbsup

 

It's amazing the positive vibes this shelter has already generated and will going forward

 

 

Folks out for a wander get a shelter

Alcoholics, smackheads and randy teens apparently get somewhere to do their activities

Last but not least folk that like to complain about stuff have something to complain about.



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Posted 12 September 2018 - 01:46 PM

Just shows that  it CAN be done.

 

I just think that, sometimes, people can be a little to sensitive and take things far to personally.  A bit like "road rage" but, the internet variety.  (Net Rage(?))



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Posted 12 September 2018 - 02:38 PM

The flip side to that is folk can be too insensitive, make things too personal and grumble about things that only exist in their own minds. There's been a lot more of that going on, than the other.


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#35 Ghostrider

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Posted 12 September 2018 - 03:27 PM

^ Some folk call it as they see it and don't believe in wrapping everything up in layers of cotton wool and sprinking pretty flowers over it when it stinks..


Edited by Ghostrider, 12 September 2018 - 03:28 PM.

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#36 Colin

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Posted 12 September 2018 - 04:57 PM

And you have to respect that.



#37 Suffererof1crankymofo

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Posted 12 September 2018 - 05:46 PM

Re my earlier comment that the funding came from Scottish National Heritage; it's a real shame that Healthy Shetland have seen fit (if you pardon the pun) to remove several of their own comments and others enquiring about maintenance (who will pay for it; after all, they don't have the funds to adequately maintain the existing NHS buildings), alternative designs, why no handrail on the path, etc.

 

Scottish National Heritage state on their website that they get most of their funding from the Scottish Government.

 

I've been pretty neutral so far on this thread but inside; yes, I am taking it personally.  I am taking it personally that the Scot. Gov. would rather spend money on a few shelters quite a distance away from the hospital rather than to address the real issues.  I'm currently on a 28 week waiting list.  I have an incurable disease, yet there is a nationwide shortage of consultants.  There are hardworking staff who frequently go without meal breaks yet these shelters are meant to be a place for them to enjoy too?  Gosh, when will they get the time?

When I visit GBH, I'm more concerned with how close I can park my car to the front door and can't always get a parking space in the GBH car park so have to park elsewhere instead; this won't get any better when they dump the MRI mobile scanner in the car park.  I then have to get back home as quickly as I can to return to work.  On days I don't feel up to driving I take the bus but even then, I don't think I'd manage to get beyond the bus stop to where they propose to site this shelter.

 

To me, it's a case of priorities.  Sure, encouraging people to exercise is a good thing but as Colin so eloquently pointed out above, let's look at the priorities.  We have buildings falling down, a lack of what is regarded as pretty basic standard diagnostic equipment these days (MRI scanner), long waiting lists, vacant posts, etc.  Never mind, let's whack a shelter up.

 

No, let's not.  Will it have lighting?  Solar powered?  Or mains fed electricity?  Who will pay for its maintenance?  Who will stop 'undesirables' using it at night or during the day?  Will it become a glorified fag shelter?  Then don't forget the fact that there's bound to be signage to pay for too, so that those visiting the hospital can find where it is.

It's all money coming out of the Scot. Gov.'s pot, yet we have a health service that right now, simply cannot afford such niceities.  


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#38 Davie P

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Posted 12 September 2018 - 07:32 PM

Does the land even belong to them?  Do they own up to the wall, the footpath, or to the sea?


Will it have lighting?  Solar powered?  Or mains fed electricity?  Who will pay for its maintenance?  Who will stop 'undesirables' using it at night or during the day?  Will it become a glorified fag shelter?  Then don't forget the fact that there's bound to be signage to pay for too, so that those visiting the hospital can find where it is.

 
With respect, most of these are quite specific questions probably best directed at Healthy Shetland. They provide an email address on the web page.

 

From a personal point of view, I think we're on troublesome ground if we start deeming people as 'undesirable' and try to prevent them from using a public shelter. If they're breaking the law and/or causing a public nuisance then it's a police matter.


Edited by Davie P, 12 September 2018 - 07:46 PM.


#39 Suffererof1crankymofo

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Posted 13 September 2018 - 01:52 AM

@ Davie P

 

And likewise with respect, some of those quite specific questions had been posed by other people on their Facebook thread but they were deleted!

I should have used italics.  How do you refer to people who commit crime?  Criminals.  Those committing undesirable activities in such shelters ... you know where I'm heading.  It's not just a police matter when people participate in undesirable activities.  For starters, you're not meant to smoke on NHS property or within bus shelters but you can bet that someone will smoke in the shelter.  Those commiting public order offences (shooting up in public, off ya face in public, etc.) are people participating in not just criminal activities but what are these days deemed to be undesirable activities, and those designing and proposing to place shelters in such a location as is being proposed here, I would argue do have a responsibility; ergo, it is not just a police matter.  Did you know that bus shelters these days are designed not to have comfy seats for the purpose of discouraging certain folk from sitting there all day?

Crikey, semantics! ;-)  (and yes, I know that's a tad of waffle but it's 2.50am and I can't sleep!)



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Posted 13 September 2018 - 06:21 AM

And likewise with respect, some of those quite specific questions had been posed by other people on their Facebook thread but they were deleted!

 

All the more reason to contact them directly


Edited by Davie P, 13 September 2018 - 06:23 AM.