Brexit (merged threads)

[Roachmill]

[NullVoid]

Its going to get interesting before long though, as the Nats are rapidly making themselves as unelectable as Labour have been this last 10 years or so. With no currently credible left wing alternative, whats Holyrood going to be filled with in a few years........Extremely low turnouts of voters due to 'nobody worth voting for' and a rise in the gains for the lunatic fringes.

The recent ‘experimental’ homeless deaths is just another example of Bloody tory cuts!

 

https://www.shetnews.co.uk/2020/02/06/shetland-tops-experimental-homeless-deaths-table/

On the bright side, As a Lunatic i feel quite represented!

[George.]

^It would certainly be beneficial to the common man if Westminster was made homeless.

 

IMHO, of course.

[Suffererof1crankymofo]

^ That report isn't worth the paper it's typed on, a quick look at the Methodology outlines that it is basically full of holes.  It is absolutely meaningless when it doesn't even do a comparison with deaths of the 'non-homeless'.  For example, it uses addresses by local authorities to house homeless people.  People in Shetland can have temporary agreements with Housing but that doesn't mean they are all long term homeless.  Some addresses might well have been used to house homeless people in the past but then the temporary agreement can be followed by a secured tenancy agreement.

 

Besides, are they now insinuating that a 'homeless death' means more than a 'non-homeless death'?  Didn't see rehabilitation centres mentioned.  Way to go in trying to hide the high number of drug-related deaths.  May they all RIP.

[Watter]

Last year we saw Spanish boats based in Lerwick landing millions of pounds worth  of fish  caught around Shetland loaded onto huge container trucks before being whisked off to Europe yet we going around with a begging bowl to fund vital services .  Are we stupid or what ? Can you imagine a similar situation in Iceland or Faroe or Norway ?

[Watter]

^ That report isn't worth the paper it's typed on, a quick look at the Methodology outlines that it is basically full of holes.  It is absolutely meaningless when it doesn't even do a comparison with deaths of the 'non-homeless'.  For example, it uses addresses by local authorities to house homeless people.  People in Shetland can have temporary agreements with Housing but that doesn't mean they are all long term homeless.  Some addresses might well have been used to house homeless people in the past but then the temporary agreement can be followed by a secured tenancy agreement.

 

Besides, are they now insinuating that a 'homeless death' means more than a 'non-homeless death'?  Didn't see rehabilitation centres mentioned.  Way to go in trying to hide the high number of drug-related deaths.  May they all RIP.

 

^ That report isn't worth the paper it's typed on, a quick look at the Methodology outlines that it is basically full of holes.  It is absolutely meaningless when it doesn't even do a comparison with deaths of the 'non-homeless'.  For example, it uses addresses by local authorities to house homeless people.  People in Shetland can have temporary agreements with Housing but that doesn't mean they are all long term homeless.  Some addresses might well have been used to house homeless people in the past but then the temporary agreement can be followed by a secured tenancy agreement.

 

Besides, are they now insinuating that a 'homeless death' means more than a 'non-homeless death'?  Didn't see rehabilitation centres mentioned.  Way to go in trying to hide the high number of drug-related deaths.  May they all RIP.

50% of the homeless accommodation in Shetland is currently occupied by EU citizens .Why are they disproportionately becoming classed as homeless ? most are in full time employment .

[Wheelsup]

yes we are stupid. we voted for Brexit and Boris.

[oxna]

Last year we saw Spanish boats based in Lerwick landing millions of pounds worth of fish caught around Shetland loaded onto huge container trucks before being whisked off to Europe yet we going around with a begging bowl to fund vital services . Are we stupid or what ? Can you imagine a similar situation in Iceland or Faroe or Norway ?

But many will argue that that all happened in any event to a large extent prior to the CFP days as the allocation of the fishing quota for the CFP was based on historical fishing effort in the 1970’s. Realistically, the eventual outcome of the brexit negotiations could well be that the status quo will more or less remain, in terms of the distribution of fishing quotas, as it’s unlikely that the government will be prepared to lose its access to EU markets, be they the financial markets, fish exports or whatever, however unpalatable such an outcome may be perceived. Compromises will inevitably have to be made and those representing the industry will have to be realistic, for their own credibility if nothing else, in terms of what is achievable, as otherwise there’s going to be a lot of disappointment in the industry. It’s a complicated picture for certain but many also claim that the CFP, though it has clearly had its problems, has worked to a large extent in terms of maintaining sustainable stock levels, which may otherwise have been exploited to extinction. The woes of the industry do not therefore all relate to the CFP, many will argue. Overfishing (legitimate or otherwise) has obviously played its part; successive UK governments have also been complicit in the industry’s problems in privatising what is essentially a public resource (fishing rights), 67% of which is now in the hands of 25 private businesses; UK licences, dished out by the government free of charge based on historical fishing effort, have also been traded outwith the UK fishing fleet to EU boat owners following what was essentially the government’s privatisation of those licences and, by implication, large parts of the industry as a whole. Arguably, the under 10-metre fleet, often deploying the most sustainable methods of fishing and representing 75% of the UK fishing fleet in terms of numbers, has had the poorest deal of the lot and now has only a 2% share of the remaining pool quota between them. In the interests of fairness and of redressing this historical imbalance, one of the many challenges will be for the government to include those boats in any fish quota reclaimed in the transitional period as part of the post-brexit negotiations. What isn’t in dispute is that the fishing industry is vitally important to Shetland’s economy, going well beyond the income of those employed directly in it, and we’ll all have to wait and see what the eventual outcome will be, but it’s unlikely to be plain sailing in what is far from a black and white scenario.

Edited February 9, 2020 by oxna

[shetlander]

Given how low wir current unemployment rate is and how we’re already struggling to fill vacancies in areas like fish processing, hospitality and social care I canna see this being good news for us.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-51550421

[Davie P]

Yup, not good news at all for Shetland

 

https://www.shetnews.co.uk/2017/09/27/ten-year-plan-to-boost-isles-economy/

 

SIC man Cooper, who has overseen the local authority’s development committee for a number of years, said there is a growing need to expand the pool of available workers in Shetland to enable companies to grow.

 

“From a development perspective, we’re trying to encourage folk to come and domicile in the island and broaden the economic base,” he said.

 

“We have a lot of businesses here in Shetland that can’t expand because they can’t get anymore staff. What we’re looking to do is to encourage another 800 or so folk to come and live and work in Shetland and help to strengthen the economy.”

[Ghostrider]

Strange, very strange.....

 

Why then, if the above is true, am I hearing folk who've worked in local fish processing previously, saying things like 'don't bother trying for a job in one of the factories, unless you have an Eastern European sounding surname, you won't get anything.......'

 

Has the situation on the ground suddenly changed, are the SIC completely out of touch and spouting bullsh*t as usual, or have I just happened to speak with folk with a grudge/gripe/whatever with local factory HR bods?

 

I wasn't looking for a job with them, not my sector/interest, so no obvious ulterior motive to say what was said. Their comments were volunteered as part of a gerneral sheeks.

Edited February 19, 2020 by Ghostrider

[Roachmill]

"no obvious ulterior motive"   Guessing you never voted for Brexit or UKIP then.

 

Perhaps by reading the article and taking special note that it's not talking about looking for 800 fish processors (a poor example as it's entirely geared towards basic task orientated work that'll go to the cheapest workers you can find) but attracting folk to fill a shortfall of various skilled labour.

[tarsus]

As Scotland has 100,000 unemployed why must we bring in people from overseas to do low paid jobs. Some of these 100,000 will not be disabled so why should they not be doing some thing to get a wage or their dole money.I do admit to not knowing much about these things so i am sure that some one will tell me that this is a stupid question and why it cannot be done.

[Roachmill]

That's a fair enough question and not one without merit. In our case it's a problem as we're not forcing folk to relocate up here.

 

My love of Boris and his ilk has fashioned the notion that this is part of their plan; to create demand and fill it by slashing employment laws while forcing the unemployed to provide cheap labour to their big business backers. Back to the good old Empire days of lower classes working down t' pit 20 hours a day for enough to pay their taxes and not much else. And, more importantly, no EU protecting workers rights.

[Urabug]

Many of the jobs are seasonal and do not appeal to many locals as the pay is poor and lets face it most want a good well paid job with a steady wage, not something for a few months of the year.

 

An immigrant would be someone who has arrived in the UK and wants to stay and enjoy all the benefits that we in Britain enjoy and have paid national insurance and taxes for.That is not denying  many are good reliable hard workers and do contribute well to the system. 

 

We also have the seasonal workers who arrive in the UK and only want to stay for a few months to work and earn a few bob then go back home . I think it would be fair to say that the value of the Euro to the Pound probably has more influence on whether they come over here or not. They probably are a great benefit because they will not put any many demands on our public services.

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While it appear good to let everyone into Britain to stay, it is just not possible,the whole economy will collapse  under the strain on our public services.

 

Guess it is the "seasonal" employers who are making the most noise but it is not they who pay the universal credit to when their employees are out of work or on short hours.