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#1 rum_beast

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Posted 07 June 2020 - 07:35 PM

lots of activity and quite rightly around the country removing slave traders names from streets and statues being pulled down etc.  But what about closer to home with the prominence of the anderson high and other shrines to slave trading in shetland p&o having received compensation from the goverment to buy there slaves freedom it seems strange to have named a new school after arthur anderson.



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Posted 07 June 2020 - 10:04 PM

lots of activity and quite rightly around the country removing slave traders names from streets and statues being pulled down etc.  But what about closer to home with the prominence of the anderson high and other shrines to slave trading in shetland p&o having received compensation from the goverment to buy there slaves freedom it seems strange to have named a new school after arthur anderson.

Because its a footnote in history and slavery was practiced by most nations on earth at that time.

American sailors fought the Barbary wars over White American mariners being enslaved.

 

European states had local navies and could retaliate more effectively than the US which is why the US went to war,

Sweden and Sicily were allies in this conflict.

 

This was happening in the Mediterranean and if it were not for the defeat of the Barbary pirates a more advanced naval war against  slavery may not have happened.

Slavery was also an issue delaying Texas from Joining the US due to states where slavery was illegal having objections

 

all this happened during his lifetime.

 

When you abolish Slavery you reduce productivity and if you reduce productivity you have less manpower to defend against slave states who might invade.

 

Thus the more industrialized nations were able to ramp up productivity due to the industrial revolution and consequently could be more competitive without slaves and this meant they could enforce abolition form a position of strength.

Britain abolished slavery and was especially equipped to adapt to a free labor only system as Slavery was already illegal on the UK mainland.

and when competing nations are forced to give up slavery the drop in productivity was of strategic benefit to the UK

 

Slavery was practiced in Africa by other Africans but only the Occident is constantly apologizing for slavery

 

quit being this guy

 

Should the Mongolians be constantly apologizing for the mongol empire?

What about the Zulus, the Maori, Arabs and indigenous African groups who haven't even abolished slavery yet .

 

Saleh Al-Fawzan a Member of the Saudi Arabian Council of Senior Scholars even brought up the issue of reinstating slavery in 2003

in 1981 the African nation of Mauritania outlawed slavery but there was no means of prosecuting slave owners until 2007



#3 Claadehol

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Posted 07 June 2020 - 10:41 PM

Where exactly are we going to draw the line here? Are we going to consider banning that lovely hymn "Amazing Grace" simply because it was written by a slave trader John Newton in the 1700s.

 

Are we going to demonise those who endorsed this hymn, such as Judy Collins, Elvis Presley, Aretha Franklyn, Alan Jackson, Johnny Cash, and many more?

 

President Obama sang this at the funeral of a murdered Methodist minister some years ago. I don't believe he would have been too concerned about the hymn's history and he was probably aware of it.

 

Most of our citizens are completely unaware of the history of individual buildings and streets in our towns and cities. Maybe we should leave it like that, we have problems enough these days without highlighting the crimes of the last few centuries, and trying to absolve our guilt by needlessly changing street names.

 

Tony Blair apologised for the slave trade, None of the Arab countries or African countries to my knowledge heavily involved in this trade apologised for selling their own people. Some African leaders became wealthier than English nobles.

 

It was a long long time ago and it was a vile trade, but I'm afraid I do not feel responsible for any of it and therefore I don't feel the need to apologise.


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#4 NullVoid

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Posted 07 June 2020 - 10:57 PM

Tony Blair apologised for the slave trade, None of the Arab countries or African countries to my knowledge heavily involved in this trade apologised for selling their own people. Some African leaders became wealthier than English nobles.

 

It was a long long time ago and it was a vile trade, but I'm afraid I do not feel responsible for any of it and therefore I don't feel the need to apologise.

 

The only reason for people in the first world to apologize is purely religious

 

Group A

Born in Sin

 

Group B

Noble savage

 

 

Original sin, also called ancestral sin, is a belief in a state of sin in which humanity has existed since the fall of man, stemming from Adam and Eve's rebellion in Eden,

 

In the Abrahamic religions you have the "Fall of man" when by eating the apple humanity transitions from of innocence to a state of guilty disobedience.

 

in the progressive multicultural religion the fall of man is "Colonialism"

 

Unless you believe in Yakub



#5 Davie P

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Posted 07 June 2020 - 11:06 PM

Changing the names of streets and buildings as way way of marking changing times is common. It's a bit of a jump to worry that Amazing Grace is going to be banned.



#6 Urabug

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Posted 07 June 2020 - 11:42 PM

What about my poor Sat Nav,I will never find my way around now, another update   :mrgreen:  



#7 NullVoid

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Posted 08 June 2020 - 12:50 AM

Looks like the vandalism has begun

 

Fortunately there hasn't been a spate of home invasions unlike in the us and we have yet to see shops being looted at the moment.

 

i expect that either a second lockdown will at least happen in England and Wales or the effect of the virus will be seen as so negligible people are going to be more angry about how the lockdown has made us poorer.

 

Most of these gatherings happen where there is a significant amount of ethnic minorities,

that's just a fact its mostly white people doing this turd but the locations are typically those with minorities.

 

they need to be seen by those minorities to get psychological validation from it.

Just to give an idea on where these are going to happen here are 2011 census statistics

Scotland 96.0% White
Wales 95.6% White
England 85.4% White

 

Edinburgh 91.7% White

Cardiff 84.7% White

London 59.8% White

 

https://observer.com...ology-heat-map/

Low racial and ethnic diversity, especially those located in poor areas, are more likely to unionize.

And this leads to things that are problematic for large corporations like people campaigning for racist things like affordable housing, higher pay better working conditions.

 

Scotland may not have to follow suite for the second lockdown since the reaction in Scotland has been negligible compared with that of English cities and Cardiff.



#8 Suffererof1crankymofo

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Posted 08 June 2020 - 01:46 AM

 

Fortunately there hasn't been a spate of home invasions unlike in the us and we have yet to see shops being looted at the moment. ...

 

 

 

@ NullVoid - Incorrect.  During the early weeks of lockdown, several supermarkets were robbed/vandalised in more than one location in the UK.  Lincolnshire had a spat of burglaries, with reports of many key workers returning from shifts to discover their belongings had been nicked. 

https://www.thesun.c...es-coronavirus/

 

https://www.dailymai...-confirmed.html

 

https://www.lincolns...urglary-4184952

 

Above links chosen at random but sadly, there is more crime going down than what is being reported in the mainstream media, it ain't all as nice 'n' cosy as they would like you to believe. 


Edited by Suffererof1crankymofo, 08 June 2020 - 01:55 AM.


#9 NullVoid

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Posted 08 June 2020 - 03:43 AM

 

 

Fortunately there hasn't been a spate of home invasions unlike in the us and we have yet to see shops being looted at the moment. ...

 

 

 

@ NullVoid - Incorrect.  During the early weeks of lockdown, several supermarkets were robbed/vandalised in more than one location in the UK.  Lincolnshire had a spat of burglaries, with reports of many key workers returning from shifts to discover their belongings had been nicked. 

https://www.thesun.c...es-coronavirus/

 

https://www.dailymai...-confirmed.html

 

https://www.lincolns...urglary-4184952

 

Above links chosen at random but sadly, there is more crime going down than what is being reported in the mainstream media, it ain't all as nice 'n' cosy as they would like you to believe. 

 

 

I guess i underestimated how closely they were emulating the protests in America.

Double-deck_burning_in_2011_england_riot

 

Unfortunately most of the largest European cities are becoming more similar to places like ChiCongo and New York.

 

In the US Politicians and people in positions of authority are ENABLING them

there is a civil war between Nationalists and "The long march through the institutions"

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1M9t5v8ukQc

 

For those who don't know why so many people in positions of leadership are committing treason in almost all occidental countries.

 

To extend the base of the student movement, Rudi Dutschke has proposed the strategy of the long march through the institutions: working against the established institutions while working within them, but not simply by 'boring from within', rather by 'doing the job', learning and at the same time preserving one's own consciousness in working with others.
The long march includes the concerted effort to build up counterinstitutions. They have long been an aim of the movement,but the lack of funds was greatly responsible for their weakness and their inferior quality. They must be made competitive. This is especially important for the development of radical, "free" media. The fact that the radical Left has no equal access to the great chains of information and indoctrination is largely responsible for its isolation.

 

Because even the right wing parties are subverted the Dont bother with politics, go off grid and get armed attitude is spreading among the Non-Left.

 

This is why the far left is so much more active politically as the opposition has largely retreated and normal people can be intimidated into paying lip service to the extreme left from fear alone.

 

The US already has some contingency plan for the post 1996 generation forming what are basically "fight clubs"

https://theintercept...war-game-gen-z/

 

Fann the flames March the lemmings off the cliff Accelerationism is popular idea among the opposition as Noam Chomsky said

"Antifa is a gift to the right"


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#10 Colin

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Posted 08 June 2020 - 06:50 AM

Back on topic,

 

Pulling down statues and wrecking them is, imho, pretty dumb.  Just vandalism.

 

You have to remember that most of the statues were erected because the subjects actually did something "good" for their communities. 

 

As for the AHS being a "shrine" to slavery, get a grip, it's a school, and it's name is not important, it's what it does that matters.

 

Anyway,

I can't seem to find any links suggesting that Arthur Anderson was involved in the slave trade but, he did free  a lot of people from bondage by bringing them education and shelter.

If you want to vilify his name, go ahead, I don't think that he cares to much anyway. :razz:


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Posted 08 June 2020 - 06:52 AM

The Propher Muhammed was a slave trader who owned black slaves . . https://deovolentenl...en-slave-trade/


Edited by Watter, 08 June 2020 - 06:53 AM.


#12 rum_beast

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Posted 08 June 2020 - 07:37 AM

Back on topic,

 

Pulling down statues and wrecking them is, imho, pretty dumb.  Just vandalism.

 

You have to remember that most of the statues were erected because the subjects actually did something "good" for their communities. 

 

As for the AHS being a "shrine" to slavery, get a grip, it's a school, and it's name is not important, it's what it does that matters.

 

Anyway,

I can't seem to find any links suggesting that Arthur Anderson was involved in the slave trade but, he did free  a lot of people from bondage by bringing them education and shelter.

If you want to vilify his name, go ahead, I don't think that he cares to much anyway. :razz:

surely not hard to see just check the compensation he was paid from the government when slavery was abolished


Looks like the vandalism has begun

 

Fortunately there hasn't been a spate of home invasions unlike in the us and we have yet to see shops being looted at the moment.

 

i expect that either a second lockdown will at least happen in England and Wales or the effect of the virus will be seen as so negligible people are going to be more angry about how the lockdown has made us poorer.

 

Most of these gatherings happen where there is a significant amount of ethnic minorities,

that's just a fact its mostly white people doing this turd but the locations are typically those with minorities.

 

they need to be seen by those minorities to get psychological validation from it.

Just to give an idea on where these are going to happen here are 2011 census statistics

Scotland 96.0% White
Wales 95.6% White
England 85.4% White

 

Edinburgh 91.7% White

Cardiff 84.7% White

London 59.8% White

 

https://observer.com...ology-heat-map/

Low racial and ethnic diversity, especially those located in poor areas, are more likely to unionize.

And this leads to things that are problematic for large corporations like people campaigning for racist things like affordable housing, higher pay better working conditions.

 

Scotland may not have to follow suite for the second lockdown since the reaction in Scotland has been negligible compared with that of English cities and Cardiff.

 

yes but where are the building and street names in lerwick celebrating the barbery slave traders



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Posted 08 June 2020 - 11:52 AM

"surely not hard to see just check the compensation he was paid from the government when slavery was abolished"

 

Still can't find any links that he was a slave trader.  A link or two would be usefull.  !!!



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Posted 08 June 2020 - 11:54 AM

"yes but where are the building and street names in lerwick celebrating the barbery slave traders"

 

Our streets are named after slavers of a different kind... Lairds etc.


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Posted 08 June 2020 - 12:41 PM

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Above are 2 maps containing information the people in the first world who harangue about slavery centuries ago don't care about

 

yes but where are the building and street names in lerwick celebrating the barbery slave traders

 

 

Not in Lerwick but there will be some dedication to the more notable known ones in the places where they came form.

 

Many cities in America are having talks about abolishing law enforcement so maybe the anti slavery laws will go unenforced in the future as western nations become failed states.

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But for now the fact that you have to go back so far in history to find something to moan about shows you aren't focusing on anything that matters in the here and now.

https://www.msn.com/...b2FN?li=BBoPWjQ