OPERATION NORTHWOODS

Well, if you don't have evidence, maybe it's because there is no evidence to be found? Maybe things happened by and large in the way that the 9/11 commision suggested? No, that's nonsense. The so called "evidence" was there for months during the cleanup. Thousands of investigators were on the site and yes OF COURSE thy did forensic investigations on the steel... Nope. For some reason you people believe that Donald Rumsfeld has his own private stash of surveillance tapes, only for his own viewing pleasure. Sorry. The only tape that showed the Pentagon attack was the one that was released earlier this year. The other tapes didn't show the attack. (Why would a gas-station surveillance camera be pointed at the Pentagon anyways?!?) Yes, it was reported that there were other tapes that were confiscated, well they were wrong. Journalists make mistakes sometimes, newspapers DO report things wrong every now and then. Especially in the massive confusion that followed 9/11 (Sigh) Since you obviously have little respect from the media, then how come you pay so much attention to the BBC? Because it fits your story? Yes, this is a story from 2001, but the world didnt stop in 2001. Some things have proven to be wrong since then, and new evidence uncovered. t was a case of mistaken identity. 6 people with the same names as the hijackers were alive and well in 2001, that's all the BBC story proves. No, that's also completely irrelevant. It's another claim that has been debunked over and over again. You choose to misunderstand him because it fits your purpose. When Silverstein said "pull it", he mean pull the firefighters out... Come on, do you really think that this evil genius who planted eplosives in his towers etc. would be so stupid as to talk about it in a TV-show? No not really... Personally I think another investigation into 9/11 would a great idea. Not because there is an evil plot to uncover, but because there are still unanswered questions about how the intelligence community could have messed up as bad as they did. And if you want people to take you seriously, forget the halfassed no-plane/missile/insurance money ideas. Most people would probably support another inquiry, but they will back off immediately when you start on the kooky conspiracies. It REALLY hurts your credibility. you are delusional.....why would bush hand pick HENERY KISSINGER to be in charge of the 9/11 investigation? The Bush administration has been saying in public for several months that it does not desire an independent inquiry into the gross "failures of intelligence" that left U.S. society defenseless 14 months ago. By announcing that Henry Kissinger will be chairing the inquiry that it did not want, the president has now made the same point in a different way. But the cynicism of the decision and the gross insult to democracy and to the families of the victims that it represents has to be analyzed to be believed. ive givin you very good, points to wich you downplay to be meaningles.... and you also said. "i dont know why they would lie" or something like that... ok, go tell the guys that saw a small unmarked jet at tree top levels...zipping around 2 minutes before flight 93 went down...tell them they didnt see that.... or tell the people in the basement that there were no bombs..... tell all the firemen and police.....that when they were telling people to get back, they found another bomb.....tell them there was no bombs... do you know who kissinger is??? why on earth would bush want a non independant investigation with kissenger running it..... even though he has said on record that a fake attack is good for the econamy....... "Today Americans would be outraged if UN troops entered Los Angeles to restore order; tomorrow they will be grateful! This is especially true if they were told there was an outside threat from beyond, whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will pledge with world leaders to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinguished for the guarantee of their well-being granted to them by their world government." -- Henry Kissenger, from his grand finale address at the Bilderberger meeting at Evian, France, 21 May 1992 you know what nothing i say will sink into your head........ so im done...anything anybody says, you just dismiss...so why bother?......dont quote me im done talking to you.... its like talking to a brick wall

ya know what....... the things we dig up, are rarely backed by mass media. how can you expect us to provide hard convictable evedence? you know damn good and well, it never benifits the government for the people to know EVERYTHING they do. so it is controlled. otherwise they will be caught red handed....all we can do is provide a shadow of a doubt the a REAL investigation takes place... investigate the claims we provide...then ask yourself if it is a valid question... no independant company can investigate the towers structure because bush had all the crime scene evedence shipped off. is that a valid point? we want to see ALL photage of the pentagon impact...yet we cannot see them...is that a valid point? the BBC uncoverd 6 of the 19 highjackers to be alive and well....is that not a valid point that should be investigated? the owner of wtc7 stated himself it was "pulled" yet the 9/11 commision made no mention of it....is that a valid point? should that not be investigated? reports of flight 93's parts being found within an 8 mile radius.....is that not a valid point? should that be looked into? i can go on, but you see my point right?

Comment: This was printed 9/14/01 and I first saw it November 16th. It is not on the Internet elsewhere to my knowledge. The "no markings" thing doesn't bother me much. Sometimes executive jets have very small markings - maybe they aren't very visible. Maybe the craft was marked, but no one identified it. Still, this story amazes me. The witnesses totally contradict the FBI. The witnesses have the mystery jet at tree top level at the time of impact. It's flying so low the witness wanted to DUCK! This could not be a civilian jet. All air traffic had been cleared away from Flight 93 30 minutes earlier, and Lear jets need to be cleared to fly under 5,000 feet. Would we have cleared a civilian to "tail" flight 93? This jet was witnessed after the crash by dozens of people. The only thing that makes sense with the given information: The mysterious white jet with a military jet of some sort. This could explain what the air traffic controller in the Nashua Telegraph article was reporting when he said an F-16 was in visual range. Is it possible this jet MIGHT have been outfitted with missiles (OK, call me crazy now). We have unmarked police cars in every city in the United States. Why wouldn't the Air Force have unmarked aircraft they could play off as civilian? If we did, would you know about them?. Maybe they are part of the drug war, a Customs jet. Maybe it's a CIA jet. Maybe it's an FBI jet. You might think, "Why would we need an undercover jet? That's crazy! F-16's could strut in and do the job!" I totally agree, I have no idea... well, I have one. So they could truthfully say the U.S. Armed Forces did not shoot at any airliner? I do know this - it WAS there, the FBI says it wasn't there until later, was at a higher altitude, and it needs explanation by the FBI/NTSB. Do you really believe a civilian Lear style jet would be screaming through at treetop level, circle the crash site, and then take off at high speed? Then, would you believe it would be TOTALLY IGNORED BY THE GOVERNMENT AND THE MEDIA? What the hell was that jet doing there? now im sure i can find the eyewhitnesses name somewhere...but my question is this..... because this eyewhitness account has never made it to primetime news.... well going against the official report, wont look to good for them....so, by it not being on the television....and by it being soo ignored... do you think it is false? if so, nothing regarding 9/11 can be believed..

ARGH!!! Then for the love of god, GO DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH!!! You seem like a pretty clever kid, you have the courage to ask questions, Ive noticed. Then why don't you do alittle research of your own, instead of reading the same nonsense all the conspiracy boards have posted? Here you go kid, I'll help you out 814 445 6900 This is the phonenumber for the coroner in Somerset county. You have questions about flight 93? Well put your money where your mouth is, and call them up. Ask for Wallace, allthough most of the people in there could probably tell you about picking up human remains for two weeks on that field... You "truthseekers" seem like a remarkebly docile and naive bunch. Everybody talks about research, then how come nobody actually does any, instead of posting the same links over and over again?!? ENOUGH!....jesus christ dude, what is your obsession with Wally Miller??? did he D.N.A check the other body parts spread out over the 8 mile radius? or will he even admit the parts were spread over the 8 mile radious?

plus....loose change is totally different from the 9/11 commission report.. the 9/11 report needs to be 100% correct..... loose change, deserves some slack, after all, it is us the american people left searching for truth......so if they mess up, i can understand... while the masterminds, just sit back and laugh at us people wanting answers

No, that only applies to Loose Change apparently well turd, look what they are up against.....they and us have to look for answers....put the clues togather.... now the bush, regime doesnt have to worry about that, they just alter reality..

per 9/11 commision:: Who is this enemy that created an organization capable of inflicting such horrific damage on the United States? We now know that these attacks were carried out by various groups of Islamist extremists. The 9/11 attack was driven by Usama Bin Ladin. osama is not wanted by the FBI for 9/11...and they have also admited to not being able to link OBL to 9/11...condi promised some 3 plus years ago, that they had evidence linking OBL to 9/11....she is yet to provide evidence.....the 9/11 commision is false! and it fails to mention bush's 199i order.......as well as the fact that they were conducting a trainning exsersize on 9/11...in wich planes were highjacked..... both those facts were left out of the 9/11 report.. The day began with the 19 hijackers getting through a security checkpoint system that they had evidently analyzed and knew how to defeat. Their success rate in penetrating the system was 19 for 19.They took over the four flights, taking advantage of air crews and cockpits that were not prepared for the contingency of a suicide hijacking. ..again.....there is ZERO evidence, putting them ON the planes.....zero evidence putting their bodies in the wreckage.....NOTHING...a couple "bandanas" and a fireproof "passport"...that survived the massive explosian that burned so hot, it brought down the wtc...along with the bandana....both of wich, are meaningles...anybody could have thrown red wig into the wreckage, does that mean ronald mcdonald did it? A shootdown authorization was not communicated to the NORAD air defense sector until 28 minutes after United 93 had crashed in Pennsylvania. Planes were scrambled, but ineffectively, as they did not know where to go or what targets they were to intercept. And once the shootdown order was given, it was not communicated to the pilots. In short, while leaders in Washington believed that the fighters circling above them had been instructed to "take out" hostile aircraft, the only orders actually conveyed to the pilots were to "ID type and tail."... “Pennsylvania state police officials said on Thursday debris from the plane had been found up to 8 miles away [from the crash site] in a residential community where local media have quoted residents as speaking of a second plane in the area and burning debris falling from the sky.†Finding debris miles from the crash site indicates that the aircraft was disintegrating well before it hit the ground, as would be the case if the other plane witnesses saw shot it down. The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reported Sept. 12 that the debris found miles from the crash site included “clothing, books, papers and what appeared to be human remains.†The secretary of defense denied reports that Flight 93 was shot down. Shortly after it crashed, rumors began circulating that United Airlines Flight 93 had been shot down by a U.S. fighter jet, but had no authoritative confirmation. The news desk at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette was contacted Sept. 22. The editor confirmed the news release and stood by the information contained in it. The editor also said that, “The FBI confirmed to us that the debris came from that airliner!†When asked why no other news media in the nation carried their story, I was told, “Of course we passed it forward, but we can't be responsible for what other news media do.†Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld referred to the people who "shot down the plane over Pennsylvania." But in his remarks, Rumsfeld referred to the "the people who attacked the United States in New York, shot down the plane over Pennsylvania." A Pentagon spokesman insisted that Rumsfeld simply misspoke, but Internet conspiracy theorists seized on the reference to the plane having been shot down. left out of the 9/11 report: The omission of the fact that WTC 7 (which was not hit by an airplane and which had only small, localized fires) also collapsed — an occurrence that FEMA admitted it could not explain The omission of the fact that the collapse of the Twin Towers (like that of Building 7) exemplified at least 10 features suggestive of controlled demolition The claim that the core of each of the Twin Towers was "a hollow steel shaft" — a claim that denied the existence of the 47 massive steel columns that in reality constituted the core of each tower and that, given the "pancake theory" of the collapses, should have still been sticking up many hundreds of feet in the air The omission of Larry Silverstein's statement that he and the fire department commander decided to "pull" Building 7 The omission of the fact that the steel from the WTC buildings was quickly removed from the crime scene and shipped overseas before it could be analyzed for evidence of explosives The omission of Mayor Giuliani's statement that he had received word that the World Trade Center was going to collapse The omission of the fact that President Bush's brother Marvin and his cousin Wirt Walker III were both principals in the company in charge of security for the WTC The omission of the fact that there are photos showing that the west wing's façade did not collapse until 30 minutes after the strike and also that the entrance hole appears too small for a Boeing 757 to have entered The omission of the fact that pictures from various security cameras — including the camera at the gas station across from the Pentagon, the film from which was reportedly confiscated by the FBI immediately after the strike — could presumably answer the question of what really hit the Pentagon The apparent endorsement of a wholly unsatisfactory answer to the question of why the Secret Service agents allowed President Bush to remain at the Sarasota school at a time when, given the official story, they should have assumed that a hijacked airliner might be about to crash into the school The claim, by means of a circular, question-begging rebuttal, that the unusual purchases of put options prior to 9/11 did not imply advance knowledge of the attacks on the part of the buyers The omission of reports that both Mayor Willie Brown and some Pentagon officials received warnings about flying on 9/11 The omission of the fact that President Bush and other members of his administration repeatedly spoke of the 9/11 attacks as "opportunities" The omission of the fact that The Project for the New American Century, many members of which became key figures in the Bush administration, published a document in 2000 saying that "a new Pearl Harbor" would aid its goal of obtaining funding for a rapid technological transformation of the U.S. military The omission of the report that at a meeting in July 2001, U.S. representatives said that because the Taliban refused to agree to a U.S. proposal that would allow the pipeline project to go forward, a war against them would begin by October if there is one tiny little falsehood in the official report....does that not bring the whole report into question?? DAVID RAY GRIFFIN "Whatever one's assumption of what a "conspiracy theorist" is like, David Ray Griffin doesn't fit the mold, perhaps because he's really a nonconspiracy theorist. While he methodically deconstructs the official story, he doesn't spin his own alternative yarn to fill the vacuum. Instead, he allows audience members to draw their own conclusions." "The 'truth' of the official 9-11 story," explains Griffin, "must be taken on faith. It is not a matter of debate or even discussion. Anyone who brings up anything that contradicts the official story is either ignored or denounced as a conspiracy nut. "However," he continues, "when the official account of 9-11 is stripped of its halo and treated simply as a theory rather than an unquestionable dogma, it cannot be defended as the best theory to account for the relevant facts. When challenges to it are not treated as blasphemy, it can easily be seen to not correspond with reality." OPERATION NORTHWOODS... Code named Operation Northwoods, the plan, which had the written approval of the Chairman and every member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, called for innocent people to be shot on American streets; for boats carrying refugees fleeing Cuba to be sunk on the high seas; for a wave of violent terrorism to be launched in Washington, D.C., Miami, and elsewhere. People would be framed for bombings they did not commit; planes would be hijacked. Using phony evidence, all of it would be blamed on Castro, thus giving Lemnitzer and his cabal the excuse, as well as the public and international backing, they needed to launch their war. sorry, if i dont provide, a fox news link for every statement, but you decide what sounds plausible to you....and with a few strokes of the key, mabey find a good source....

No, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying you should use a little critical thinking. Alex Jones has a certain vested interest to portrait things in a certain way. He is not an unbiased source. Personally I like him and his work. But I'm saying I don't agree with his conclusion. That's not the same as saying that "it's all false" If you want to "research" some thing, if you're a "truthseeker" see his documentary. Then see another documentary that comes to a different conclusion. Read up on the conspiracy theories about Kennedy, and read some of the stuff that debunks them. Compare the two and try to come to your own conclusion, instead of sipping the kool-aid from whatever conspiracy site is popular right now. "Researching" has nothing to do with reading the same stuff over and over again. regardless, im sure its the same key players for the most part....if you dont think LHO was the sole gunnmen, then surelly you understand the way things work, and the media can be hushed and people get away with murder.... must the evidence is enough to convict you or i, but these are powerfull forces.... so, its not like the media will ever, release key information... we have to hunt for hidden items..... that implicate wrong doings...... the truth will come out soon........ sorry, its now 3:30 am, im done..

its 3:18 am..im going to sleep, sorry, ill state my case tomarrow..... you act as though the reason fox news doesnt mention things is because its not true...... dont you realize, that what little information we get, has to be leaked? think bill oreilly will ever discuss the 2004 elections.... work with us here,

coroner never found any remains..... the "story " goes....after a few days the wind started uncovering the bodys out of the earth.... you act as though nothing could have been planted... why did the coroner leave after 20 minutes, if the area was coverd with chard bodies.... and the black boxes didnt work? lol....

the JFK documentary is all false cause alex jone made it? is that what your saying?

No really?!? You haven't been convinced by them posting the same links over and over again? These people are ridiculous. The "research" they are so proud of, seems to be simply clicking a conspiracy website, and reading whatever nonsense some other kook has written. I gave OPERATIONNORTHWOODS a link to pictures of airplane parts and the passengers corpses INSIDE the Pentagon, and he still wants proof that there was plane... 8O I mean WTF? What do you want? What do you expect is left after, what he himself describes as "a metal cylinder", hits a building with over 800 km an hour? I guess I could post a link to airplane parts littered on the lawn outside of the Pentagon, but that will probably be something that the "shills" has planted... ok, we were talking about, flight 93...and you post pic's of chard remains found at the pentagon..... there was remains at the "crash site" in shanksville?? no, cause it was shot down like rummy said...

if that was your idea of humor, stick to checking prostates... or if that was your idea of trying to put down your fellow man...then, you really dont have a social circle do you?...i mean, that was pathetic.... so, no more self checking of ur prostate...and just try to stay focused here... now....you were explaining how the magic plane traveld through the neck into the back....through the wrist...into the thigh,out the other side and onto the strecher? correct?..... ooops. its almost time to check for lumps........ill be waiting in the hall, let me know when your done and we can continue...

sounds like the SHILLS got [**moderator edit - vulgar/obscene term**] idiots, believe the official story, dont do research, yet believe the story, with not a shred of proof.... hell, not one single one out of the 19 highjackers are even linked to 9/11..... yet they still believe..

Makes a change from firing 'em.... You guys done yet playing at being Bush and crew's fan club and cheerleaders, and have anything of substance to say? please to dont encourage them to post their PM smoking guns...lol