Italy has the right idea.

[Styles]

Im not that keen on the EU and what it means now in its out of control form. One thing is immigration that is totally out of hand. People say its good for the economy, I would rather pay double my tax if there was none. i cant go out now even in shetland without big groups of swarthey eastern Europeans up for trouble. Aberdeen all I ever heard was forigen accents. England is totally ten times worse.

 

Is this not an invasion by any other name? Hitler and Napoliean could not do it but the EU will.

 

Italy have the right idea even though its totally against the EU rules (as we have been told)

 

Italy to deport 100 Romanians after robbery

 

Opposition to immigration in Italy was brought to a crescendo today after a woman died after being robbed and left in a ditch by a Romanian immigrant.

 

Nicolae Mailat

Giovanna Reggiani, 47, died last night after being attacked late on Tuesday night while walking home in the dark from a railway station in a Rome suburb.

 

Her assailant had beaten her face into an unrecognisable pulp with a stone before leaving her for dead, police said. She lapsed into a coma and last night her life support system was disconnected after no brain activity was registered on the hospital monitors.

 

Nicolae Mailat, 24, who came to Italy from Transylvania four months ago, was arrested in a set of makeshift shacks on the banks of the Tiber after police were alerted by a Romanian woman who saw him covered in blood.

 

Mr Mailat, a Roma gypsy, admitted robbing Ms Reggiani but denied raping her, police said.

 

Mr Mailat, who will be fully interrogated today, said: "I snatched her bag, but there was no violence. Look at the video tapes."

 

advertisementOther Romanians in the temporary camp said he was a good man, and said the woman who reported him was wrong to do so.

 

However, police said he had deep scratches along his arms from where Mrs Reggiani had tried to defend herself.

 

The horrific attack enraged Italians, who blame Romanian immigrants for a wave of crime since the country joined the European Union in January.

 

"We will never let this happen again," said Romano Prodi, the Italian prime minister, as he called an emergency cabinet meeting.

 

Later, the Italian government issued a decree to deport all "dangerous immigrants" to their home countries, in line with a European Union directive on security.

 

Clemente Mastella, the justice minister, vowed that at least 100 of the Romanians who are serving time in Italian jails will be deported before the end of the year.

 

The Romanian prime minister, Calin Popescu Tariceanu, said his government "would do everything it can, but we cannot take legal Romanians back home by force."

 

Tension in Italy over the high number of immigrants has been building for several months. The latest figures showed the country has the fastest-growing immigrant population in Europe, with 700,000 arriving last year alone.

 

That sum catapulted Italy above Germany, which accepted 660,000 immigrants, and the UK, which had 565,000 immigrants in 2005, and puts it almost on a par with the United States, which accepts just under a million people every year.

 

Most of the immigrants into Italy came from the new members of the European Union, particularly Romania, Bulgaria and Albania.

 

Walter Veltroni, the mayor of Rome, said: "Before January 2007 Rome was the safest big city in the world. In the first seven months of the year, 75 per cent of arrests for murder, rape and robbery have been Romanians".

 

More than 3,000 Romanians have been arrested in the past year. In response, there have been a series of vigilante attacks.

 

After temporary immigrant camps were repeatedly set on fire in Rome, the city decided to build four "solidarity villages" on the fringes of the city in order to house immigrants and keep them under police watch.

 

Last night, police kept a close guard on Rome’s immigrant ghettos to watch for signs of violence.

 

Officers swept through the various camps and arrested 17 Romanians without identity papers .

 

On Wednesday night, an unnamed 22-year-old Romanian man was stabbed by his compatriots in the city in an argument.

 

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Italian Premier Romano Prodi on Thursday vowed to curb violence by immigrants after an attack that shocked the nation.

 

Speaking after a Romanian left an Italian woman in a life-threatening coma, Prodi said “We will do what we must to make sure these acts don’t happen againâ€.

 

After the assault in Rome on Tuesday night, the government called an emergency meeting to tackle the problem of dangerous immigrants from the European Union.

 

It fast-tracked a measure enabling local authorities to expel EU immigrants with a history of violence.

 

The measure was taken amid a recent rise in serious crimes by immigrants in which Romanians top the statistics.

 

Prodi spoke to his Romanian counterpart, Calin Popescu Taricean, who offered his unqualified support.

 

Three Romanian police officers flew in Thursday to join five colleagues who are already part of crime task forces in Rome, Milan, Bologna and Padua, Prodi noted.

 

Another two men from Bucharest will be arriving in the next few days to help combat a wave of murders, robberies, rape and people trafficking by Romanians.

 

According to the latest figures, Romanians committed 76 murders in the last year and a half - a record which surpassed the 48 committed in a similar time-frame by Albanians a decade ago.

 

In the same period, from January 2006 to June 2007, almost half of rapes were committed by Romanians

 

They also topped the statistics for people trafficking and forcing women and girls into prostitution - while they were second to Senegalese nationals for robberies.

 

Tuesday night’s victim, 47-year-old Giovanna Reggiani, the wife of a navy admiral, remained in a coma on Thursday.

 

Doctors could not say whether she would come out of it.

 

Her 25-year-old aggressor, Romulus Nicolae Moilat, has been charged with murder and robbery.

 

Forensic experts said Thursday there was no evidence the victim had been been raped.

 

After the attack - which Rome Mayor Walter Veltroni described as “horrific†- Moilat was immediately identified thanks to a fellow Roma (gypsy) woman in a small shanty-town on Rome’s outskirts where they live.

 

She told police she had seen him carrying a woman who appeared to have fainted.

 

Police found Reggiani’s stolen bag in Moilat’s metal-and-cardboard shack.

 

Police said Moilat savagely beat his victim, probably with a rock, at a bus stop after she tried to hang on to her bag. He left her for dead in a ditch.

 

The incident caused outrage in Romania with dailies reporting “national shame†and saying “the entire Romanian nation is suffering because of these criminalsâ€.

 

Authorities in Italy and Romania stressed that recent crimes should not stain the reputations of the thousands of honest Romanians who have come to Italy since the country joined the EU in January.

 

But Italian police have voiced fears of a potentially violent backlash against immigrants.

 

Taricean, the Romanian premier, said the numbers of Romanians heading for Italy were expected to wane but Italian officials said they were concerned.

 

Mayor Veltroni, who has made crime a priority for his new centre-left Democratic Party, told a newspaper on Thursday:

 

“Before January 2007 Rome was the safest big city in the world. In the first seven months of the year, 75% of arrests for murder, rape and robbery have been Romaniansâ€.

 

He said the city, which until very recently was viewed as a place where people could walk undisturbed at all hours, risked a return to the gun violence of the 1970s.

 

“We must shelter those who flee death but be very tough with those who want to cause death,†Veltroni said, stressing that crime was now “a national emergency†which must not be used to score political points.

 

The centre-right opposition, which fell from power in April 2006, on Thursday slammed the Prodi government for being “lax†on immigrants.

 

Ex-premier Silvio Berlusconi’s Forza Italia party accused Veltroni of “ignoring†a Forza Italia campaign to spotlight and fight rising crime in the capital.

 

Gianfranco Fini of the rightwing National Alliance party welcomed the expulsion decree but said it should also cover jobless immigrants.

 

The new decree does not apply to cases that go to court.

 

However, Justice Minister Clemente Mastella and his Romanian counterpart Tudor Chiuariu agreed on Thursday that many convicted Romanians, who now form a large part of Italy’s prison population, will be flown back to serve out their sentences in Romania.

 

Industry Minister Pierluigi Bersani will discuss immigration issues with Premier Taricean as part of scheduled talks in Bucharest on Tuesday.

 

“It will be a chance to illustrate all our concerns and improve cooperation on security and migrant flows,†he said.

 

There were calls Thursday for special moves to curb the influx of Romanian gypsies.

 

Police swept through Roma settlements along the banks of the River Tiber on Thursday and arrested 17 gypsies found without ID papers.

[sheepshagger]

christ on a bike just admit that certain folks are more prone to violence and romany gipsies are more prone to it than others. romany gipsies are a scurge wherever they turn up. stop being so bloody pc. it is not racist to state facts

[Medziotojas]

Isolated violent crimes are perpetrated by isolated violent individuals. Let's not finger an entire nation here.

[Styles]

But sheepshagger is right certain groups are more prone to anti social and criminal activity, just look at the percentages of certain groups in jails compaired to to their total population in a country. Its a fact.

[Medziotojas]

Granted, but what percentage of an entire nation are you speaking about? I stand by my previous post.

[Styles]

Im only speaking about the number of the nation in another country. If you look at these numbers its not good reading.

[Fjool]

just look at the percentages of certain groups in jails compaired to to their total population in a country. Its a fact.

That logic leads to a vicious circle though:

 

- More people of race A are in prison than other races, therefore these people are generally criminals

- A person of race A, since they're generally criminal, must've done it. Lock them up.

[Styles]

Im not saying anyone should be locked up just because they are from a certain group, but statistacally speaking certain groups are more prone. im not saying races.

[Fjool]

Im not saying anyone should be locked up just because they are from a certain group

I realise that, but historically it appears to be what happens to members from groups who get labelled in this kind of way.

[Styles]

EU looks like its working for Romania:

 

"Officials in Brussels said Italy appeared to be working within the directive of EU legislation which states that: "The personal conduct of the individual concerned must represent a genuine, present and sufficiently serious threat affecting one of the fundamental interests of society."

 

Romanians have been blamed for 76 murders in the last 18 months, half of all rapes and a surge in people trafficking and prostitution.

 

At the same time, crime in Romania has fallen by 26 per cent."

 

Not so good for Italy.

[Trønder]

Many western European nations, the UK included, need labour immigration to fill all the positions. We have ageing populations and still too low birth rates. We are egocentric when we vacuum eastern Europe for workers, not doing them a favour. We shouldn't stigmatise entire nations because criminal elements are attracted to the wealth in the West. The Romani people might be statistically overrepresented with regards to crime, but look at what they have been put through. Were they ever really given a chance across Europe? Continuing with the old attitudes will not solve anything.

[NewMagnie]

Mayor Veltroni, who has made crime a priority for his new centre-left Democratic Party, told a newspaper on Thursday:

 

“Before January 2007 Rome was the safest big city in the world. In the first seven months of the year, 75% of arrests for murder, rape and robbery have been Romaniansâ€.

 

He said the city, which until very recently was viewed as a place where people could walk undisturbed at all hours, risked a return to the gun violence of the 1970s.

 

My ass.

 

After a lifetime spent living in a variety of locales, including the seedier parts of Govan and Leith, Rome is still the only city I've ever been robbed in. That was in 1989.

 

Unfortunately, the miscreant who made off with my wallet didn't pause to establish his ethnicity. Neither did the twat who robbed my tent in Florence, neither did it matter at the time. The carabinieri couldn't give a rats ass on either occassion.

 

And while we're on the subject of national stereotyping, its a bit rich for a nation whose government and institutions are *reputidly* mired in Mafia related corruption to whine about gangsterism in any form. I'll bet a pound to a pinch of the proverbial that their own hoods have floated more bodies down the Tiber than any bunch of incoming pikeys.

 

When in Rome....

[Styles]

Must have been a romanian.

[Lola Boomboom]

i cant go out now even in shetland without big groups of swarthey eastern Europeans up for trouble. Aberdeen all I ever heard was forigen accents. England is totally ten times worse.

 

Is this not an invasion by any other name? Hitler and Napoliean could not do it but the EU will.

 

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Are you by chance an idiot who has been taken in by the BNP sprootle?

I take it your gripe is not so much about the Romany Gypsies - but all foreigners. I would agree with New Magnie and add that this is just a typical piece of Italian anti-immigration propaganda to deflect from the real mess. When the country is feet-up - blame the immigrants.

The real perpetrators of the crimes are the Mafia and the Camorra who ship them in and keep them in camps (mainly in the South) then bus them into the cities to do their dirty work.

 

I've worked with several Romanians and countless Eastern Europeans and find your comments fairly offensive against good friends of mine. Never met one on a night out 'up for trouble' but have met scores of Shetlanders, Scots, English up for that. The only crime rate soaring is the racial attacks on the immigrants by morons with this mentality.

(Blonde hair and blue eyes doesn't sit well with the Nazis anymore!) Hope nobody on Great Junction Street notices the pink triangle stitched to my sleeve.

[JAStewart]

But sheepshagger is right certain groups are more prone to anti social and criminal activity, just look at the percentages of certain groups in jails compaired to to their total population in a country. Its a fact.

 

Sounds a bit BNPee'ee right here.

 

I think, on immigration it is a cold hard fact that if we just open the gates and let anyone enter, our country will become as crappy as theirs (assuming thats why they left to come here). We shouldn't be deporting every foreigner just because someone from their nationality committed a crime. We should be working to make their country better, so they don't need to come here.