paulb Posted June 4, 2013 Report Share Posted June 4, 2013 fans paid via patient comfort fund not hospital funds. also standard fans have been banned its not a choice between them or the standard ones. its a choice of them or none. not nhs shetland doing. i would agree if they were just buying fancy things for the sake of it but they are not. fans are needed when folks are spiking temperatures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvercloud Posted June 4, 2013 Report Share Posted June 4, 2013 Hi, If thats the case do Dyson have the sole right only then to supply all NHS hospitals in every Trust unless there is another non blade fan make, just don't see how they can be banned ? Those tiny holes towards the bottom of the fan look very very difficult to clean can't even get a cotton wool bud in them they are that tiny perfect for micro organisms Pehaps someone can supply evidence where it says they are banned or is just NHS Shetland thing saying this, if so I stand corrected ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulb Posted June 4, 2013 Report Share Posted June 4, 2013 sorry silvercloud ive no idea. but i doubt it. if there are others that are similar and are cheaper then why not. however this wont get extra funds to pay for relatives travel or accommodation. unlink no they dont.http://www.viking-direct.co.uk/catalog/catalogSku.do?id=5187636&PR=QT6&cm_mmc=googleplusbox-_-feed-_-fans-_-5187636&_$ja=cgid:4390423817|tsid:34770|cid:65200817|lid:40092781697|nw:g|crid:17599834217|rnd:2041656588890189370|dvc:c|adp:1o5&gclid=CKnpvICGyrcCFWfItAodv30Agw just an example. the choice was these or no fans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvercloud Posted June 4, 2013 Report Share Posted June 4, 2013 Paulb, * who exactly * said that the other cheaper fans are banned, Nhs Shetland or Nhs Scotland any ref/evidence or is it excuse to buy the more expensive fans out patient comfort fund, always easy to spend someone elses money ? If you look at the fans at the bottom those tiny holes how you clean those easily when they get sneezed or cough at over 70mph at even at some distance away. The old fans still did the job, not saying it's not nice to have more expensive things that look more up to date, but when money is limited the money may have been used better elsewhere perhaps or kept in the kitty to build up for something a bit more worthwhile ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulb Posted June 4, 2013 Report Share Posted June 4, 2013 best person to ask would be the infection control nurse. the older fans were removed from the wards the staff were told that was the reason.after a while they managed to get these ones as patients were suffering. they just do as they are told they dont have the time to debate everything.. if you think about the cleaning of the older fans you have the vents to the motor as well. if your working on costings then eventually the new ones will pay for themselves in time saved in the cleaning time. yes they are eye wateringly expensive. would never even think of buying one. there are cheaper options like thishttp://www.amazon.co.uk/Pisenic-Bladeless-Fan-12-Conditioner/dp/B00CBPKNZ4/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1370340296&sr=8-6&keywords=bladeless+fan however i dont see the 2 year guarantee there Contact Details Infection Control Nurse: Tina Bokor-Ingram Tel: 743000 Ext.3693 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvercloud Posted June 4, 2013 Report Share Posted June 4, 2013 Paulb, you were the one who said the old fans had been banned, but you didn't state who banned them, you implied NHS Scotland had banned them but without evidence to back this up this could just be another smoke screen by Nhs Shetland to justify spending money on expensive fans that are still difficult to clean around everyone of those tiny holes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unlinkedstudent Posted June 4, 2013 Report Share Posted June 4, 2013 unlink no they dont. paulb, with all due respect (and pardon the pun) if you blow the photographs up for any of the Dyson fans (I looked on their website), their fans do have a grille on the bottom pier situated at the top/middle. Now it might be the case that this is where the air is sucked in and then there's a filter behind the grille but nevertheless, it is a grille. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulb Posted June 4, 2013 Report Share Posted June 4, 2013 ok just spoken to the wife again the old ones were not getting cleaned. they used to gather an amazing amount of dust each day. you can imagine what that dust was made up of. the clinical staff did not have the time to dismantled each of them everyday and the domestics were not allowed. 5x20 every day not possible. your looking at staff wages of 20 quid for a nurse to do it. each day thats the equivalent of spending 7k on just cleaning them per year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvercloud Posted June 4, 2013 Report Share Posted June 4, 2013 So what you are saying is old fans weren't banned they just weren't getting cleaned. Surely a healthcare can clean and if done regularly you would not get a build up and therfore would not take as long come on its not like NHS Shetland is a large teaching hopsital with that many patients they so run off their feet all the time. When there not alot on surely you can do a deeper clean along with commodes etc it sounds like excuse.Dyson ones look nightmare to clean all those tiny holes which you cannot get cotton wool bud even in to going take just as longer if not longer to clean.So how are you going get the dirt micoorganisms out of those tiny holes after patient coughed ,sneezed or even vomited in area Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unlinkedstudent Posted June 4, 2013 Report Share Posted June 4, 2013 ok just spoken to the wife again the old ones were not getting cleaned. they used to gather an amazing amount of dust each day. you can imagine what that dust was made up of. the clinical staff did not have the time to dismantled each of them everyday and the domestics were not allowed. 5x20 every day not possible. your looking at staff wages of 20 quid for a nurse to do it. each day thats the equivalent of spending 7k on just cleaning them per year. Err you don't have to dismantle a fan. You can use a blooming vacuum cleaner on them to get most of the dust off and to prevent daily build up. And come on now, we're talking 3 clips to take the cover off a fan and wipe down the blades with a disinfectant wipe/cloth. These new fans will still need the filters replaced. They'll still need to remove/clean the grille; whether that be by a clip or two screws being removed. Time exercise? Cost exercise? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvercloud Posted June 4, 2013 Report Share Posted June 4, 2013 Hi, Just re-read my post cleaning can be done by all levels of nursing staff, healthcare or staff nurse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulb Posted June 5, 2013 Report Share Posted June 5, 2013 minimum pay for a band 2 is roughly 9 quid. even at minimum wage your looking at £6 x 1.40 so £10 a day or 3650 a year. a band 2 would cost £4,500which ever pay band its less than a year in time saved to pay for them outside that argument domestic wont dismantle electrical equipment to clean it and there is not enough staff to spare for cleaning them. sp its back to either easier cleaned ones or none. i have no view on the make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulb Posted June 5, 2013 Report Share Posted June 5, 2013 ok just spoken to the wife again the old ones were not getting cleaned. they used to gather an amazing amount of dust each day. you can imagine what that dust was made up of. the clinical staff did not have the time to dismantled each of them everyday and the domestics were not allowed. 5x20 every day not possible. your looking at staff wages of 20 quid for a nurse to do it. each day thats the equivalent of spending 7k on just cleaning them per year. Err you don't have to dismantle a fan. You can use a blooming vacuum cleaner on them to get most of the dust off and to prevent daily build up. And come on now, we're talking 3 clips to take the cover off a fan and wipe down the blades with a disinfectant wipe/cloth. These new fans will still need the filters replaced. They'll still need to remove/clean the grille; whether that be by a clip or two screws being removed. Time exercise? Cost exercise? err no the surface need cleaning each day vacing is not enough. try it at home pretend your on a ward gather 20 of them in dismantle clean reassemble and replace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvercloud Posted June 5, 2013 Report Share Posted June 5, 2013 Hi, Absolute rubbish, . The excuses honestly heard it all now, even when I worked in large teaching hospital we managed to clean to good enough standard and things were certainly not overlooked the work got done The health cares have more than enough time to clean. Otherwise your paying them stand around and do nothing. Its a small hospital with not alot of patients. They could be given a proper good clean at night when patients are sleeping and less to do at same time clean all commodes and give them a good scub.If nurses can bring books into read at night they got time to do some cleaning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvercloud Posted June 5, 2013 Report Share Posted June 5, 2013 Its part of the job description to clean . The fans would not all be in use all at same time, so there enough time to clean, you could go some weeks of no use of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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