borderhole24

I wonder if you arrange to dispose of your own rubbish in a green and legal manner you would get a discount on council tax.

No.

Why would you (get a discount on your council tax that is - not to arrange to dispose of our own rubbish which surely would be encouraged.)

Your council tax goes towards paying for local services such as schools, roads etc.  Not just refuse collecting.

It's like phoning the BBC and asking for a discount on your TV licence because you don't watch BBC Four.

 

Or bitter and twisted. I believe the council policy already covers this.

Wonder how much these additional random tests will cost us.

Probably about the same as our councillors...  Now, if we can get rid of both.....

 

You can "get rid of them" every five years.  Are you not happy with your Councillors, if so have you approached them with your issues?  Or just anonymously on Shetlink?

I think it will cost the SIC money in as much as the increased time spent getting said wheelie bin off its fixings, dragging each bin to the lorry, emptying, dragging back and then refixing.

 

This whole process will take much longer than the usual black bin bag method.  I would even moot perhaps 3 times longer at each household.

 

I think people sometimes forget there are over 5,100 wheelie bins in circulation already in Shetland, the essy kert men and women are well used to working with them.  Funny that despite over 5k bins already being used in Shetland, suddenly only NOW is the wind thought to be an issue.

 

^I'm just talking about litter, just to clarify.

 

I do the same, Space. I will happily pick up a bit of this and that and, yes, people should stop chucking so much poison, pollution and rubbish around. They only do it for one reason - they are too lazy to deal with it correctly.

 

Out of interest George, since you think this recycling thing is a lot of garbage (pun intended), what would be your solution?

 

borderhole24 - who said that if you do not recycle eg tins, plastic bottles, bottles of drink that your rubbish in black bags, all together, like at present will not be collected? just you making that up?

 

Who's going to recycle the black bags and how long will it take, playlist? A year, a century or a few millenia, if at all?

 

As usual, the older generation are the cynics, while the younger generation are at least trying.  Ironically to save the planet from the older generations sharn.

borderhole24 - who said that if you do not recycle eg tins, plastic bottles, bottles of drink that your rubbish in black bags, all together, like at present will not be collected? just you making that up?

The Council says that.  Your rubbish will be left, fact.  Read about it, do a little investigation of your own, instead of relying on anonymous trolls on Shetlink for your information.

 

Proof that it hasn't got off to a good start?

 

Proof that you're happy to have the majority of your rubbish picked up once a fortnight? That's a real good start.

 

If you think the 'majority' of your rubbish will be collected once a fortnight you clearly haven't read anything about the recycling.  The 'general waste' will be collected once a fortnight, falling in line with the rest of the UK.  Shetland was the last place to deviate from weekly collections, some council areas have three weekly general refuse collections.  It's always people of a certain generation who are allergic to change and progress.  It won't stop it happening though.

 

"Recycling scheme off to 'strong start' up north"

 

Who Ray! This is truly positive news. Thanks to all.

 

Didn't you have a parental/guardian who taught you not to believe everything you read, especially when the statement is subjective, not objective.

 

Propagandaists move in mysterious ways, only question here is whether you've been taken in by one, or are one.

 

Proof that it hasn't got off to a good start?

Are the council really going to allow their operatives to re hook bungee cords with all the safety risks of a bungee cord, main injury is a loss of an eye.

Yes I suspect they will.  Just as electricians work with electricity, the bin men will work with...........um, bungee cords.

You'll have to buy yourself impact goggles   I expect operatives will be issued with some?

I'm going to dig out my swimming goggles.

If I tie up my wheelie bin to stop it blowing away, does anyone know if the bin men will be re-tying wheelie bins back up to stop them blowing away ?

 

Or will I find my bins halfway down the road when I come home?

 

Who is liable for any damage caused by flying wheelie bin, the householder or council?

 

I notice that they bring this latest scheme out in the Spring when wind dying down.

 

Is this so when problems occur with the wind, they the council can say it has been working fine for last 7 months they can ignore the issue when gales really start to pick up again in October.

No - unless you use a bungee cord, they won't have time to untie and retie hundreds of wheelie bins daily.

You won't if you use a bungee cord, free and supplied with it.

You, it's your bin.  You don't have to accept the bin, but you do have to recycle.  If it is clear you are not recycling your waste will not be collected.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Youre happy to moan at the cost of media training......

 

Am I. Where did I make comment on that subject on this thread or site?

 

Not on this thread or site, but here http://www.shetlandtimes.co.uk/2017/12/16/media-training-costs-shetland-islands-council-600-hour#comment-1631240

 

 

Really? Where on there is there any comment attributed to 'Ghostrider'?

 

Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't realise you were a child who thought 'Ghostrider' was some sort of ulterior being to yourself.

 

 

On this site you choose to be known as 'borderhole24', I choose to be known as 'Ghostrider' - Who you choose to be known as anywhere else is entirely your choice, and whether, or not borderhole24 wishes to link with any other identity you may use anywhere else, is entirely your choice, and yours alone. I have the same rights, and I didn't give you permission to attempt to link my identity to any other identity anywhere else which I may or may not use.

 

Michael, if you're wanting to hide behind a pseudonym, make a better job at hiding behind it.  Everyone knows who you are, you rant on here, and put the same rant on the Shetland Times page.  Mr Anonymous himself.  The point remains you complain about the council wasting money on training its councillors yet youre happy for them to waste tax payers money paying pointless fines to stick up for what you think is right.  easy to sit behind a computer, and a pseudonym and speak nonsense.  

 

 

 

 

 

Youre happy to moan at the cost of media training......

 

Am I. Where did I make comment on that subject on this thread or site?

 

Not on this thread or site, but here http://www.shetlandtimes.co.uk/2017/12/16/media-training-costs-shetland-islands-council-600-hour#comment-1631240

 

 

Really? Where on there is there any comment attributed to 'Ghostrider'?

 

Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't realise you were a child who thought 'Ghostrider' was some sort of ulterior being to yourself.

 

 

 

Youre happy to moan at the cost of media training......

 

Am I. Where did I make comment on that subject on this thread or site?

 

Not on this thread or site, but here http://www.shetlandtimes.co.uk/2017/12/16/media-training-costs-shetland-islands-council-600-hour#comment-1631240

 

 

 

 

^Please explain.

 

we require one, by law.  simple.

 

 

“One has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws.”

 

Martin Luther King. Jr.

 

 

yes Michael  Martin Luther King Jr was speaking about Shetlands need for a CEO when he said that. 

 

 

The subject matter is irrelevant, the point of principle remains the same.

 

Even if it means disciplinary action being taken against the local government?  Fines probable for not having a head of paid services.  Youre happy to moan at the cost of media training i see but happy for the council to waste money on unnecessary fines.

 

 

^Please explain.

 

we require one, by law.  simple.

 

 

“One has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws.”

 

Martin Luther King. Jr.

 

yes Michael  Martin Luther King Jr was speaking about Shetlands need for a CEO when he said that. 

^Please explain.

we require one, by law.  simple.

There's two games at play with Holyrood, firstly, regardless of their protestations and overtures to the contrary, the Scottish establishment do not, never have, and probably never will in the next few centuries at least, consider Orkney & Shetland as a "true" part of Scotland, any more than many Orcadians and Shetlanders consider themselves 'Scottish' - We are very much the reluctant and mostly ignored foster child which they don't want, but their greed won't let them let go of. Just like you sometimes see (albeit not so often these days) a family with kids of their own, but one or more foster kids as well, who are very obvious by the fact they wear the hand me downs, while the biological children are always dressed in the new stuff - The foster ones are only where they are because the fosterers get an allowance paid for them, they're a commodity, and commodities only justify the minimum investment to ensure they continue to yield the maximum payout. We're a commodity in the same way to the Scottish political establishment, and right now they're conducting an experiment in just how low they can let their investment go without affecting the returns on it they get from us.

 

Secondly, we're sitting on a little bit of money, and nobody in Holyrood is going to take pity on us and send momey here when it serves their interests better to throw it around as bribes for votes in the central belt, as that's where the numbers are that matter as to whether they stay on their gravy train or not, it doesn't matter how we vote, as in the bigger picture our influence whoever we vote in is minimal, the support the local SNP branch was getting from Head Office and the quality of candidates they've put forward in both Scottish and national elections in the recent past is proof enough that they really don't care what happens here.

 

We're on our own to sink, we can choose between spending our reserves to plug the gap in Government funding either quickly or slowly, but until its all spent there will be no compassion or fairness coming this way out of Holyrood, only empty promises and flowery talking, and any compassion even then will only come if we go cap in hand and do a lot of begging. Or we can take on Holyrood at their own game, with the right research, planning and tactics any Council, including this one, could, back Holyrood in to a corner where they had to choose between honouring their obligations to the entire populations in a reasonable and fair manner, or face the real prospect of being painted so black their chances of holding on to power were all but wiped out. That unfortunately seems to be the last thing on our lot's mind though, given that the only reported reaction from our great white leader to yet another funding reduction was to scuttle away with his tail between his legs muttering about "more cutbacks to keep within the Edinburgh enforced budget". What happened to fighting for our fair share? I doesn't need much midder wit to know that if you just meekly and submissive accept whatever you're offered, you're very liable to be offered even less next time round - and we are, time and time again. Yet those on top of teh ttem here let it happen over and over again. Things will get worse regardless, but they'd get worse a whole lot more slowly if Edinburgh were a bit nervous of just what sort of broadside was about to be unleashed on them from these northern wastelands unless they sent enough to keep our protestations down to a dull roar.

 

'Those who fail to learn from history are destined to repeat the same mistakes' or something like that is how the adage goes - History tells us that between 1500 and 1900 we were lorded over by the Scottish establishment who systematically ground both the place and the people in to the ground by creaming off almost all of the lion's share in the better times and ignoring folk's needs in the harder ones. History aso tells us that in the 15 years or so since the establishment of the Scottish Parliament the apple hasn't fallen far from the tree in the 100+ years we've managed to largely stay out from under their thumb.....The thumb is now well and truly back, and if you want to have a general idea of how the remainder of this century will unfold politically, go check your history for the period 1600-1900 and the attitude of those who held power then, as the immediate future will be the same MO, only adapted to suit modern society and lifestyles.

 

The Council themselves could do much to put their own house in order as well, which would minimise the need for cuts in the actual service delivery. They're sitting on a grossly bloated over-complicated management system, and using many equally over complicated and un-necessary management and admin procedures and systems, not to mention the slew of totally un-necessary 'non-job' positons, all of which are drawing salaries and incurring costs needlessly. The place would run as well, probably better in fact, if all the desk bound elements between the elected members and the front line staff were completely redesigned and streamlined with an emphasis on minimalisation, effectiveness and efficiency, and yield a scarily surprising amount in savings, but there seems no stomach within the organsation to even explore that avenue.

Simple we do not require a CEO,someone enlighten me to what he did to justify such a high salary !

 

How many care assistants could be employed,doing a far more important job on the proceeds of this ridiculous salary which would be far more beneficial to the community. 

 yes, we do.

What's it got to do with Ryan? He has spoke  up for fair and frequent fares on boats and planes.

Exactly my thoughts,agree or disagree with what he says he has done nothing but fight for getting shetland people cheaper plane and boat fares.  I know him personally and I know how much work he has put into this.  success or no success doesnt matter at least he is trying to do something about it.  i also know he does not want to be a spokesman on anything but the media come to him because of the work hes done should he say no comment? so easy to criticize someone trying to help us all and such negativity for someone who is only trying to help such unfair stick and we wonder why noone wants to be councillors in shetland?  

In the light of the news regarding Flybe’s withdrawal from Shetland, maybe Ryan Thomson should reconsider his position as mouth piece. There was a good chance our life line provider could have gone out of business. When you live on a island you have to except you’ll not be getting the same service than you would get on the mainland.

What has he has said that you don't agree with?

I've found it refreshing having some new young blood in the council have spoken to them all they seem to be very enthusiastic which might change!  Hopefully sort out some of the old ones stuck in their ways.