mikeyboy

I do Redd Up on the same piece of road every year and it saddens me to see the same pile of plastic crap arrive afterwards.

 

And then there are the tins.

 

Why, just why do folk do it?  I would no more throw something out of my car as rubbish than fly.  I don't have that mentality. It saddens me greatly.

We do mini Redd ups every day I am home and over the years I have noticed the following:

Monday to Thursday it is just low level stuff empty water and juice bottles, crisp and fag packets.

Fridays you will find large piles of juice bottles and tins. some sandwich boxes, sweetie wrappers that sort of thing. Usually in a place where someone can slow down or pull in.

Saturday and Sunday It is loads of empty beer tins and bottles the odd alcopop and wine bottle.

George for the second time nobody is telling you you have to agree with anything. Again where have I said that?

You had an issue with me calling this a chat forum, is discussion forum better. Because it clearly says that on this page.

Mikeyboy, I would have thought that if it was a chat forum it would then be called a chat forum. It's not, it's called a forum but I can't think why. Perhaps you can tell me?

You have an issue with me using the word chat for some reason. Do you approve off discussion forum?

George please point out where I said that.

Not sure what you mean George.

It is up to the OP to define what their thread is about and normally that is respected. Your points had already been made on another thread. Hadn't they? The OP started this particular thread to discuss how we could all support each other while recycling.

Yes George but it is normal Chat forum etiquette to keep on the subject that the OP set. There was already a thread where people had discussed their objections to the idea of recycling. if this forum was properly moderated a lot of posts would be moved to that one.

What do you mean by that George?

Positive ideas?? wrong place for that.

If you drop a message to the Dunna chuck bruck facebook group. Sita will put you in contact with a group.

Yes to the former.

 

It’s rare that something opens in Lerwick that interests me, but this guy will be selling deli food, hopefully decent coffee, and cider, plus other stuff that won’t interest me, but others will queue up for. They are advertising for staff. There’s a note in the window apparently. Don’t know if there is anything in the local rag as I don’t read it.

Is it the Beervana guys that are opening the Dowry?

Island larder is still there.

so that you can understand how to sort, manage, curb and otherwise support recycling isle-wide.

I think the OP was looking for a positive discussion on how we actually are going to go about recycling or producing less waste in Shetland.

Your questions are outside of that context.

Is there not another thread discussing the merits or otherwise of recycling?

 

 

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Have you ever ordered something small off say Amazon (e.g. toothpicks) and they send it in a box 20+ times the size with masses of bubble wrap or crumples brown paper padding, when an envelope would have done the job just as well... annoyance!

 

You could contact your vendor and explain that you're most interested in the most economical/ green  shipping scheme, and yes, you're willing to assume some liability for a few broken toothpicks.

 

I seem to remember Amazon had a feedback button specifically for packaging, will check my account.

Yes if you go into your orders you can leave packaging feedback on each order.

It really is as simple as somebody posting that they have an item for uplift in say Mossbank. Has anybody else got anything to be uplifted?

 

 

 

I have just been given a good suggestion regarding the bulky uplifts. Although this wasn't what the OP was discussing.

OK it is £30 or £10 for 6 items.

So if people in an area got together and pooled their requirements, say if two of you had 3 items each that would be  £15 or £5 each.

This forum would be the ideal place to organise this from.

So you reckon that your neighbours, assuming you're on speaking terms, will all be purchasing replacement furniture, white goods, etc., and disposing of their old ones at the same time, do you?  If you live in social housing, you can't necessarily whack it in your back garden because the SIC don't like it plus more often than not come a gale and you have a washing machine literally flying around your garden (seen it happen).

 

 

 

Oh dear..

Now where did I say all that?

The suggestion is in answer to how we stop people flytipping and somehow throwing large bulky items into the sea now that the local skips have stopped.

Which by the way was not what the original OP was talking about.

Anyway if for instance folk in Brae managed to hold onto their bulky items until the skip turned up. It is not impossible to imagine that they could hold onto the same items until there were 6 items in the area.

 

So you want folk to discuss with their neighbours when they intend to buy new items so that they can get together to organise the 6 items for collection?  Me thinks the skips were more regular than what you're envisaging is required to work.  Now I could be wrong but given that the skips have been gone a while now, perhaps a Freedom of Information Act application is in order to ascertain just how much dosh has been generated by the bulk collection scheme, how many tonnes/items collected compared to the cost of the skips.  Somehow, I have a feeling that the skips collected more items.

 

You know what?  It's none of my neighbours' business as to when I intend replacing furniture/white goods.  Besides, at least two of the properties around here have a high turnover of occupants; for example, one such property has had 3 different tenants in under a year.

 

Again where did I say that?

That really is a bad habit, putting words in other people mouths.

http://www.recycling-guide.org.uk/facts.html

 

 

 

Please, let's use this thread to ....... answer questions,....

 

Where is the evidence, preferably in the form of a detailed, comprehensive, accurate, realistic and  believable environmental audit, proving the proposed changes will create a more environmentally beneficial situation than the status quo?

 

Don't refer me to the cherry picked waffling piece of spin and propoganda that's been waved around so far either, its devoid of accuracy and fluffily light on data quantified in numbers and hard facts to the point its more unhelpful than helpful.

 

Prove this is an environmentally beneficial change and I'll back it, otherwise it IS just a box ticking political exercise that deserves contempt.

 

Just because 'Zero Waste Scotland' aka. Holyrood says it is, most certainly does not make it so - if for no other reason than they are political, and by default of being so operate primarily to a political agenda.

 

Your single question deserves an answer. Please attend a Carbon Literacy seminar and teach yourself about how to answer your own question.

 

Further, what will you do to recycle?

 

 

Stop side stepping the question by moving the goalposts.

 

The EU, via the Scottish Government via the SIC expects me to expend the time and effort to required, to comply with their new refuse collection and disposal model.

 

I do not believe their new model to be less damaging to the planet's resources and the environment than the current model in use, in fact I believe their new model will consume more of the planet's resources and cause greater enviornmental damage that the current model. The onus is on the EU, via the Scottish Government, via the SIC to provide proof their new model consumes less of the planet's resource and causes less environmental damage than the current model if they're expecting folk's cooperation, not on each individual to go and seek on that answer for themselves. They're proposing the change, they're implementing the change, its their responsibility to convince people its the right one.

 

I'll skip over the patronising arrogance of your reply, which in and of itself marks you down as very probably an SIC employee. But I will point out that I have disabilities which prevent me from attending most events. What provision is there to make reasonable adjustments so that someone with disabilities is not excluded from these seminars you mention?

 

Finally, regardless what may be on offer at any seminar, it is not going to answer my questions, which are case specific to the SIC's new waste collection, management and disposal proposals, as they have not revealed/quantified the amounts involved.

 

What tonnage of combustible material will their proposal remove from the incinerator, and what is the loss of thermal capacity to SHEAP by default of that removal of fuel? How many tonnes of material will be shipped to Aberdeen and onward haulage, and what is the carbon footprint in transportation terms of each of those tonnes to reach its reprocessing destination? What are the current/historical emissions of the incinerator, and what are they expected to be once teh new model is up and running? I could go on all night, and I'd still not e done, but you get the gist....

 

ALL of the above questions and their answers, and dozens more factor in to the big picture equation of whether or not the new model is an 'improvement' over the current model, or not. Where are those questions answered, where is the data to do so with, why has it not been published in full? They surely wouldn't have something to hide, would they.

 

Blind us with science, stop trying to baffle us with bovine excrement.

 

As to what I do to recycle - and I'm getting a little tired answering this question on here. I do what I've always done, and most Shetlanders used to do. Pretty much anything I own, or have ever owned was obtained used. When something breaks, I fix it. When something is unfixable, it gets broken up and component parts 're-purposed', and if SIC - Housing had had the midder wit to provide every house they own with at least one lum, instead of everything run on diesel guzzling over-priced electric, I could carry in both hands with room to spare all I'd actually throw away each week, as the rest would be helping keep me warm.

 

Why are you under the impression that the OP has to answer your questions?

If in any doubt here is here post below:

Who Ray! Looking forward to recycle efforts in Shetland. 

Help spread the word to locals, tourists, and everyone who can do this responsible bit, to clean up after one's-self. Let's do all we can to make this work.

Read the Shetland Times and review the SIC link that leads to the 'how-to' page, so that you can understand how to sort, manage, curb and otherwise support recycling isle-wide.

Please, let's use this thread to support the effort, answer questions, support each other -- if you want to post negative responses, please start another thread.

Thank you in advance! 

 

I have just been given a good suggestion regarding the bulky uplifts. Although this wasn't what the OP was discussing.

OK it is £30 or £10 for 6 items.

So if people in an area got together and pooled their requirements, say if two of you had 3 items each that would be  £15 or £5 each.

This forum would be the ideal place to organise this from.

So you reckon that your neighbours, assuming you're on speaking terms, will all be purchasing replacement furniture, white goods, etc., and disposing of their old ones at the same time, do you?  If you live in social housing, you can't necessarily whack it in your back garden because the SIC don't like it plus more often than not come a gale and you have a washing machine literally flying around your garden (seen it happen).

 

Oh dear..

Now where did I say all that?

The suggestion is in answer to how we stop people flytipping and somehow throwing large bulky items into the sea now that the local skips have stopped.

Which by the way was not what the original OP was talking about.

Anyway if for instance folk in Brae managed to hold onto their bulky items until the skip turned up. It is not impossible to imagine that they could hold onto the same items until there were 6 items in the area.

I have just been given a good suggestion regarding the bulky uplifts. Although this wasn't what the OP was discussing.

OK it is £30 or £10 for 6 items.

So if people in an area got together and pooled their requirements, say if two of you had 3 items each that would be  £15 or £5 each.

This forum would be the ideal place to organise this from.

 

I really want to see the plastic and can return machines here that they have in many European countries where you get tokens or money back,

I like this, too. Apparently one machine scheme accepts plastic (standard, single-use bottles?) and returns tokens or coupons to be spent in the shoppe that hosts the machine. 

 

I'm not certain how to engage individual shoppe owners, however, in exploring this option.

 

Not sure either but will push it at my local when home. 

As for the supermarkets they are very conscious of public campaigns so if enough people contacted them.

The charity shops, classifieds etc are all very fine and well, but it's no much use if you have a house to clear. Where as with the auction, you could get rid of stuff in bulk and was put before the market and sold to the highest bidder, so items found there price level. Most charity shops are quite picky about what they take in. The best one is the Nesting Scrap Store, they take in everything from ornaments to furniture and sell it for reasonable prices unlike the prices some other charity shops charge.

The Shetland home co will come and uplift if the stuff is reusable.

 

 

 

 

 

Please, let's use this thread to support the effort, answer questions, support each other -- if you want to post negative responses, please start another thread.

 

What a good idea, ban negative responses. That's very like telling lies and denying the truth, isn't it.

 

The S.I.C used to deliver skips and allow them to be filled with rubbish, be it wood, metal, stone and all the rest. That has been gone for three or four years now and all the rubbish just gets thrown out to sea. That was all caused by the council, what a good idea.

 

Support the lies and garbage if you want, ETLerwick. I prefer honesty.

 

Honesty in the S.I.C means doing nothing productive for the population of Shetland while extracting every single penny from them, but that's a good idea isn't it. Claim the S.I.C is doing a splendid job while denying the truth. A round of applause here, I think. I can't think why but I'll think all the same, yawn.

 

 

Seriously? If people can't be arsed arranging a bulky item pick up or taking their large items to the dump that is hardly the fault of the SIC is it? I honestly don't think all that rubbish that used to go in the skips gets thrown out to sea. there is definately fly tipping going on but the chap that I have seen doing it shouldn't have been using the community council skips anyway.

 

I think the OP was looking for some positivity for a change and not the usual doom and gloom SIC bashing.

 

It is their thread is you don't like it start your own.

 

Perhaps folk "can't be arsed", as you so eloquently put it, is because they don't have the funds to pay for said item to be collected and don't have transport to get to the dump.  

 

 

Do you not get 1 free uplift a year?

I am sure that we all know somebody that would help get stuff to the tip.

 

 

No, you do not get one free uplift a year. You pay for bulky items to be uplifted, every single time. We all probably do know somebody that will shift it as required and willingly too. Remember though, you, me and everybody else pays for every single thing - whether it is provided or not.

 

OK I didn't realise that having always dealt with it myself.

But if people can somehow organise flytipping or dumping something at sea then I reckon they can arrange to get it to the dump.

Sorry George I am not getting your last sentence?

 

The roadsides are covered in rubbish because some people through bottles etc out of their cars windows instead of taking it home like any normal person would.

I am glad that Shetlanders seem to be well hydrated judging by the amount of plastic water/juice bottles I pick up on a daily basis.

Or because the SIC refuses to do what is done in other parts of the UK, namely employ folk to pick up rubbish outside of the toon.  Instead, they try to con people into thinking we should all volunteer for the clean ups.  Be far too sensible for anyone doing community service to be lowered to picking up rubbish.

 

And before you accuse me of being all doom and gloom/SIC bashing, I do think that folk should pick up their own rubbish/take it home with them/place in suitable receptacle.

 

I don't remember ever seeing anybody picking up from the side of the road when I lived South and there wasn't half the rubbish you see lying about in Shetland.

The council haven't conned me into picking anything up. I personally do it because it is there. I can't speak for anyone else.

 

 

 

Please, let's use this thread to support the effort, answer questions, support each other -- if you want to post negative responses, please start another thread.

 

What a good idea, ban negative responses. That's very like telling lies and denying the truth, isn't it.

 

The S.I.C used to deliver skips and allow them to be filled with rubbish, be it wood, metal, stone and all the rest. That has been gone for three or four years now and all the rubbish just gets thrown out to sea. That was all caused by the council, what a good idea.

 

Support the lies and garbage if you want, ETLerwick. I prefer honesty.

 

Honesty in the S.I.C means doing nothing productive for the population of Shetland while extracting every single penny from them, but that's a good idea isn't it. Claim the S.I.C is doing a splendid job while denying the truth. A round of applause here, I think. I can't think why but I'll think all the same, yawn.

 

 

Seriously? If people can't be arsed arranging a bulky item pick up or taking their large items to the dump that is hardly the fault of the SIC is it? I honestly don't think all that rubbish that used to go in the skips gets thrown out to sea. there is definately fly tipping going on but the chap that I have seen doing it shouldn't have been using the community council skips anyway.

 

I think the OP was looking for some positivity for a change and not the usual doom and gloom SIC bashing.

 

It is their thread is you don't like it start your own.

 

Perhaps folk "can't be arsed", as you so eloquently put it, is because they don't have the funds to pay for said item to be collected and don't have transport to get to the dump.  

 

Do you not get 1 free uplift a year?

I am sure that we all know somebody that would help get stuff to the tip.