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Absolutely agreed, Njugle ... Despite that: Knowing the site, having a guess from where the pic was taken, having three or four pics of this site from different positions in my own stock and knowing that the turbines installed have a smaller capacity and that they thus might be a bit smaller over all than those planned for the windfarm, it was just that pic which fired me to have a "closer" look at the VE pics ... with the result as discribed above ... :-D

... aye folks ... forget about that rubbish. There are pics with turbines in the background bigger than turbines in the foreground ... There are turbines in the foreground with full views of the shafts ... but if you do measure the diameteres of the rotors and put them in relation to the height of the shafts you will easily find out that the height of the shafts is reduced by some 20% to 25% ... Bloody rubbish to blind the innocent. In case you want a simple tool to remeasure then search google for the mbruler tool und remeasure rotor diameters and shaft heights ... and recalculate the ratio as you can get it from the VE site ... ALL THE PICS published so far by VE are not set up to scale ... bet a cask of non existing Shetland whisky on that ...

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Once upon a time when I travelled Stronsay/Orkney I had a local dish called creamed haddock, some kind of haddock steamed in a mixture of milk and cream going along with some added spoots (Razor shells). I have now found a fisherman going for spoots in the North Sea watts over here but I don't have a proper recipe. Is there a similar thing known from the traditional Shetland kitchen??? All I do remember is that it was going along with new potatoes ... and that it was so rich that I was fed up for more than the rest of the day ...

@snickster: Ha, that's my "Philadelphia" Cranberrie cake ... ... from Kraft's Philadephia soft cheese. Only difference: I use crumbled Lady's fingers instead and add a thickened Cranberrie sauce (half the amount of water than usual) on top ... A nice variant of it: Add some "Advocaat egg liqueur" (don't know a proper English term, therefore the brand name, the former Safeway used to have it under that lable) replacing a part of the double cream ...

Well, they started to work in 1997, but I am afraid that the stills and the video clips they are now presenting are nothing else but some kind of a by product. Their major aims go into other directions as they explain it: ventilation and urban micro-climate, traffic flows and mass movings of people to the forum, to the colosseum etc. etc. And we know a lot about the foundations of many buildings but a little only about the upgowing walls, allmost nothing about window spacings on third or forth floor level, balconies and other details. So, our understanding of computergraphics is probably of minor interest for them, althouh they do have Intel, M$ and NVidia as sponsors in their boat ...

That's a thing I was allways wondering about when travelling the whole of the UK. Why are there no markets as they are everywhere on the continent? Although they are not cheaper than the supermarkets here in my toon you get a far better quality and everything is absolutely fresh. And it is the best of quality controle: now farmer would try to sell rotten potatoes or veg when he is surrounded by three or four stands of competitors from the neighbourig village ... and so won't do the village butchers & bakers etc. And the best is that the money you spend for your food goes directly to those folks who produce the food and not to a bunch of wholesalers and supermarket chains which have higher costs for distributing the stuff than they pay to the producers.

That sounds like a nice evening as I enjoyed it more than one with my friends from Kaliningrad ...

Yepp ... ... and that what is simply described as a wooden pier in front of the tolbooth isn't just "a pier" but more probably the breakwater under construction ... http://photos.shetland-museum.org.uk/index.php?a=refinesearch&s=item&key=rYToyOntzOjExOiJERVNDUklQVElPTiI7czoxMDoicGllciBjcmFuZSI7czoxOiJwIjtzOjIwMToicllUb3lPbnR6T2pFeE9pSkVSVk5EVWtsUVZFbFBUaUk3Y3pvNU9pSndaWElnWTNKaGJtVWlPM002TVRvaWNDSTdjem81TXpvaVdGbFViM2xQYm5SNlQycEZlRTlwU2tWU1ZrNUVWV3RzVVZaRmJGQlVhVWszWTNwdk5FOXBTbFZpTW5ocFlqSTVNR0ZEU1RkamVtOHlUMmxLVVZGV1NrcFZNR2RwVHpOTk5rNTZiMmxVUjFaNVpESnNhbUY1U1RkbVVUMDlJanQ5Ijt9&pg=16

... it could have been so easy ... Lerwick's Old T'''booth is a Scots tolbooth not an English tollbooth ... ... a Scots tolbooth is nothing else but a i) town hall, ii) a jail or prison (very frequently within a town hall) Following Ghostrider's pic I found that the museum's website picture gallery uses both spellings with more than 30 tolbooth references and only 2 tollboth spellings which could not be by chance ... from that i suggested that the minorities might be miss-spellings and started to search for tolbooth ... Was a bit of work, but DSL has it quite clearly ... THX for your help. See: http://www.shetlopedia.com/Old_Tolbooth

... probably not Old Norse but Old Scots from O.Sc. uphalyday. DSL has it as follows: DSL - SND1 UPHALIE-, n. Only in combs. 1. Uphali(e)day, -hallieday, -helliday, the feast of the Epiphany on 6 Jan., marking the end of the Christmas holidays, twelve days from Christmas. Hist.; 2. Uphellie nicht, the evening of the Epiphany, Twelfth-night; 3. Uphellya, uphel(l)ya(a), up(p)hellia(a), a festival held in Lerwick on the last Tuesday of January as a survival of the Celtic fire festivals and the medieval Feast of Fools of the Yule season and now celebrated with modern accretions, such as the burning of a model Viking ship, tableaux, masquerading of GUISERS, etc. (see C. E. Mitchell Up-helly-aa (1948) (Sh. 1908 Jak. (1928), uphellia, Sh. 1973). The last syllable of the word is taken to represent A', all. Also attrib. [phle ()] 1. *Sh. 1774 G. Low Tour (1879) 82: Their Festivals are Christmas, Newyearsday, Uphaliday (the last day of Yule). *Ork. 1908 Old-Lore Misc. I. vii. 246: Football was played on Yule Day, New-Year's Day, and Uphelli Day, the fourth day after old New Year's Day. *Sc. 1960 F. M. McNeill Silver Bough III. 125: To the country folk, Auld Handsel Monday was, in fact, Uphalieday, and with this last burst of jollity the Daft Days ended. 2. *Mry. c.1850 Pluscarden MS.: A woman could cease to be a witch by saying the Lord's prayer every day from Halloween to Up-hellie-night. *Mry. 1881 S. R. Macphail Relig. Ho. Pluscardyn 155: The thirteenth night o' Eel was called uphellie nicht. 3. *Sc. 1884 Good Words 747: Uphelya, --- the twenty-fourth day after Yule, and that on which the Holy or holidays are supposed to be ``up''. *Sh. 1901 Shetland News (5 Jan.): The principal Festival of the season to Lerwegians, namely `Up-helly A,' which brings to a close the orgies and festivities which have more or less been the rule for a month, is now celebrated with all the `glorious pomp and circumstance' of Norse galleys, torch-light processions, and guizing galore. *Sh. 1934 W. Moffatt Shetland 129: Up-Helly-Aa night was the twenty-fourth night of the Helli or Holy Days, and that period of feasting, drinking, singing and rejoicing concluded with a great flare-up on Up-Helly-Aa night. *Sh. 1948 Daity Mail (16 Jan.): Lerwick is demanding the revival of its 1,000-year-old Norse ceremony, Up-Helly-Aa, banned during the war because of the shortages of timber for the Norse galley, paraffin for the torches and coupons for costumes. *Sh. 1967 New Shetlander No. 80. 19: Three rousing choruses of the ``Up-Helly-A' Song.'' [O.Sc. uphalyday, 1478, uphaly evin, 1507, from up, over, finished, + HALIE, HALIDAY. The Sh. Uphellya has been somewhat altered to conform to HELLY.] (... the there given Shetland references in bold SH.) (edit)... with Helly probably from O.N. helgr (dat. and acc. helgi), holiday, festival ... equalising O.Sc. a series of festive days or a weekend ... ... search DSL for helly ...

Swedish TV coverage: http://svt.se/svt/road/Classic/shared/mediacenter/index.jsp?&d=70494&a=845507&lid=puff_845531&lpos=extra_0

... puuuh - that was a narrow thing. Just saw the videos in the news. Things went in favour for GP until a massive hulled "combat boat" (capable of up to 90 m/hrs) reached the seen. Chased one boat, they touched side to side ... a few seconds later the GP crew lost controle and the boat capsized at full speed spitting four crew into the water and who were then run over by their own boat. Then they took on the second boat going across its course when a police inflatable run into the combat boat; the inflatable was thrown around and run over the GP boat ... and took to rest on it ... A third GP boat tried to escape the scene but gave up ... the motherboat from where they started is now chained up at Rostock-Warnemünde "to cover potential costs for the police action" as a police spokesperson said on the telly ...

OFF TOPIC but ... Greenpeace tried to enter the security zone around the G8-Hotel in Heiligendamm from the waterside ... Didn't stop when comanded by police. Police inflatables overrun GP inflatables ... 8 injured, 23 arrested, 3 boats seized by police.

Forget about the tourists, please. No tourist is going to the NMS just for the St Ninian's treasure, no tourist will go the Shetland, just for looking at the originals only. No tourist would get an idea whether he is looking at the originals or at a well done replica. Those who want to see the originals will know where they have to go either to the NMS or the Shetland Museum; those who want to see the originals only, travelling to any place where they are kept, will be content with what they get in addition: that's a photograph of Shetland's landscape in the NMS or what they see on a half day conducted tour to Tingwall or Walls or Dunrossness. Sorry to say so but I am probably one of those: the standard tourist is a bloody ignorant ... Again: Forget about the tourists, stick to your emotions and feelings related with the treasure. The "tourist" argument will just work against your position when it is reduced to hard proofed figures: How much will come, how much will they spend etc. etc.

Excellent stuff MJ. Thanks for that. The only thing which I am afraid of: Some day it might get lost in the YouTube nirvana for all those Shetlanders and Non-Shetlanders probably interested but not knowing where to search for it. You / (we) should see to it to get it at least linked to from other Shetland related sites such as Shetlopedia, VisitShetland, or the Museum's website ... if not (additionally) "being kept there in store". In less than 25 years all your stuff would make an Island Tape Part 2 ... http://www.shetlink.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1671

@Ghostrider: YABBAHDABBAHDOEEE!!! I was convinced of the idea and I "knew" there must be something mentioned somewhere ... but sometimes I have to look for my bread, the butter and the saussage going along with it ... and not the right words for google ... THX a lot for your help. @Shetlink admins: What's about installing a Shetlopedia newsgroup similar to the ShetlandLife newsgroup on Shetlink??? Looking from outside only I am sure that a lot of individual probs regarding the idea of a Shetland encyclopedia could be cleared via this way which otherwise might not fit into other subjects/threads of ShetLink. Just a private idea of an individual less than a soothmoother ...

... by the way: The entry in the RCAHMS list has the absolutely unsual note that the treasure was donated to the National Museum of Antiquities of Scotland (NMAS) in 1965-6. Has anyone an idea "who" donated it and "why" the treasure was donated ... well, the result might be positive or negative with regard to the case ...

@Auld Rasmie ... not a real heavy weight it seems ... more seriously: When I voted in favour for Shetland, then it was mainly for one reason: I can't see why different areas within one country which offer a comparable style for housing such pieces are treated different. When the new Lewis Museum in Stornoway was opened some years ago by far more "prestigous" and "preciuos" objects (although not in material values) went back to Stornoway than the 17 pieces which returned to Shetland. But again: The whole affair is a very sensible one and some arguments bare unforseable risks as for example the argument "it was found here". Just one neutral example without any emotions relating to the Shetland/Lerwick vs Scotland/Edinburgh complex: In Berlin we have the world famous Pergamon Altar ... The Turks want it back, because they say, it was found in Turkey ... The Greek want it back, because it was actually made by Greeks who lived by chance in now turkish territories ... Some of my folks say, it's ours because we found it and neither the Turks nor the Greeks didn't know that it exists and where it was. We could easily hack it into three pieces but about 10% of the whole are either in the British Museum or rebuilt into London Houses like Arundle House. Pictish history is of cours a part of Shetland history. One clever chap might bring up the argument that Pictish history and culture is by far more a point of general Scottish history and thus argue that a more central place would be more appropriate (Edinburgh or not, that's not the question). Despite all emotions it might be a deal to say "OK - leave the originals in the South but give us better replicas up to the state of today's art ... and in return and with regard to Jarlshof, Scattness and other places give us back the whole bunch of originals from the Viking times so that we will have a chance to concentrate on Shetland as a Viking Centre". With regard to side effects on tourism etc. and your traditionally strong links with Scandinavia in general and Norway in particular it might be the by far better deal ...

... looks like that. Have a look here - not the best of quality but absolutely in accordance with all accounts ... http://www.shetlopedia.com/Image:PicWaterStair.jpg

Correction: A drawing from 1850 makes it absolutely clear showing the waterstairs in front of a then Lodeberrie right in the southwest corner of what is now the small boat harbour - the original stairs now under pavement of the breakwater ...

thx a lot @ all ... I think I figured it out: The "old town hall" so called by Scott and Stevenson and other visitors of the 19th century is nothing else but the "new town-house", so called by Low in 1774: It is the Toll Booth, finnished just a few years before Lows visit. More about Low here: http://www.shetlopedia.com/George_Low The water stairs were next to it and must be under Victoria pier today. All 19th century references to the stairs are quite negative comments except one: Christian Ployen, then the Danish Governor in the Faeroe, described them in 1839 as a flight of stairs of hewn stone nicely constructed, which at once gives one a pleasant notion of the town ...

@Arathea: That's right. For some years the treasure was not shown ... or more correct: a few replicas of major pieces (less than in Lerwick) were on display without any context to the rest of the treasure. That was due to safety concerns about the old museum. In the new Museum of Scotland I have seen it twice although I'm not sure wheter it is part of the permanent exihibition or not.