Silvercloud Posted November 26, 2012 Report Share Posted November 26, 2012 On BBC now is the above programme with very intersting stats on NHS Shetland which is very concerning try watch on i player if you missed it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvercloud Posted November 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 Here is a link to a written article full BBC programme is available on iplayersoon. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-20395257 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulb Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 no its not concerning. those reports are used to report accidents/ errors/ assaults and possible incidents. very very few are serious events. the more reports the more the system is working. its were the staff are not filling them in or bullied into not doing so that needs to be watched. typical example a patient falls could be for any of a number of reasons this results in a report. even if there was nothing that can be learnt it gets reported this is even when there is no injury. say a patient with dementia becomes aggressive and hits a member of staff this is a report for each person effected. the reports are there to high light mistakes and make it possible to learn and prevent incidents from happening. its not there to blame staff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvercloud Posted November 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 Hi, I agree it is not mean't to be there to blame staff , but with so many reports in a very small Trust things /incidents are not being learnt from.What about the Shetland nurse who reportedly signed the gaggging order this was obviously must have been serious??These are only the incidents that have been reported what about incidents that are not properly reported /recorded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvercloud Posted November 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 One incident = 1 datex report, * not* number of people affected = number of reports. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulb Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 nope all staff were made to sign that document a couple of years ago. the choice was to either sign or lose your job. the gagging order is similar to that on the council staff. if you notice its the small boards that are report better than the big ones. yes the numbers will be higher if all staff were to report every event. sadly a lot are not motivated to do so through either lack of time or nether expecting to hear the result of the reports. this has now changed and the line mangers now email the results back to the staff. don't be worried by the numbers reported by shetland its the health boards that have a fraction of the numbers for much bigger populations that need to be watched. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulb Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 One incident = 1 datex report, * not* number of people affected = number of reports. say patient hits a number of staff (which often happens) each staff member has to generate a report . each assault is classed as a separate event.but in most cases its as you say one event one report. remember the reports are there to report potential events as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvercloud Posted November 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 nope all staff were made to sign that document a couple of years ago. the choice was to either sign or lose your job. the gagging order is similar to that on the council staff. Why did the report not say every member of NHS Shetland signed a gagging order it didn't it said one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulb Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 no idea but they all had to sign it. nothing to do with incidents. just stops the staff campaigning against the cuts. now that is something to be worried about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuckleJoannie Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 If you go to the bottom of this page you will find only 3 critical incidents in Shetland listed. Only one actually involves patient care, the other two are medical records being misdirected and a member of staff being knocked down on NHS property. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-19792724 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvercloud Posted November 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 Those 3 critical incidences were the only ones reported, whats concerning are the ones that were not reported by the staff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulb Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 your miss understanding. all the incidents were reported by staff. other wises there would be 0 reported by shetland. why shetland only sent 3 who knows. im guessing that to send all the reports that have had everything that can id staff and patients would take forever. to be honest most would be very boring reading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvercloud Posted November 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 I'm talking about the ones that do not get reported on, that could be deemed as serious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvercloud Posted November 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 How safe is your hospital ? can now be viewd on iplayer for those that missed last nights 60 minute programme. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shetlandpeat Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 How safe is your information? The person who passed away was treated appropriately. TeeVee is a bit hard to trust at the moment with the Savile case and ongoing investigations. If you want to find out more, you could use the FOI Act and make a reasonable request, you would need to word it very carefully. The ones on the public authorities in Shetland are interesting reading. Shetland Transport PartnershipOrkney and Shetland Valuation Joint BoardAssessor for Orkney and Shetland Valuation Joint BoardShetland CollegeHighlands and Islands Fire and Rescue ServiceShetland NHS Boardand of courseShetland Islands Council The ones I have asked have responded openly and honestly, some you can ask about the same subject to corroborate the answers. Generally, you sometimes need to know part of the answer in order to get a fuller answer. I look forward to your discoveries, in about 4 or 5 weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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