whalsa Posted October 27, 2017 Report Share Posted October 27, 2017 ^^^ Yes I very much suspect that figures mean it comes from a local wholesaler, no guarantees it is locally sourced. We should be trying to use as much local produce as possible but regulations make it difficult to do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frances144 Posted October 27, 2017 Report Share Posted October 27, 2017 If the meat/fish is deemed fit to be sold south, why is it not deemed fit to be sold to the local schools. Reducing food miles is very important, though rarely considered. I suspect under-cutting budget wholesalers/suppliers have the whole thing stitched up and the words "regular suppliers", etc will not matter. Real food is grown according to season and folk want fresh raspberry trifle all year round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George. Posted October 27, 2017 Report Share Posted October 27, 2017 If the meat/fish is deemed fit to be sold south, why is it not deemed fit to be sold to the local schools. Reducing food miles is very important, though rarely considered. I suspect under-cutting budget wholesalers/suppliers have the whole thing stitched up and the words "regular suppliers", etc will not matter. Real food is grown according to season and folk want fresh raspberry trifle all year round. Surely the S.I.C have the ability to go to the fish market themselves, after all, they own it. Then they could feed the children that they claim to look after with good, fresh fish. I'm sure that they could do the same with local lamb, too - but only if they made the effort. Unfortunately, they probably buy the stuff that has sailed all the way from New Zealand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whalsa Posted October 27, 2017 Report Share Posted October 27, 2017 If the meat/fish is deemed fit to be sold south, why is it not deemed fit to be sold to the local schools. Reducing food miles is very important, though rarely considered. I suspect under-cutting budget wholesalers/suppliers have the whole thing stitched up and the words "regular suppliers", etc will not matter. Real food is grown according to season and folk want fresh raspberry trifle all year round. Surely the S.I.C have the ability to go to the fish market themselves, after all, they own it. Then they could feed the children that they claim to look after with good, fresh fish. I'm sure that they could do the same with local lamb, too - but only if they made the effort. Unfortunately, they probably buy the stuff that has sailed all the way from New Zealand. I don't think it is that simple George. Procurement and state aid regulations see to that. This is something I am thinking to look into though to see if anything can be done. George. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostrider Posted October 27, 2017 Report Share Posted October 27, 2017 As I understand it, meat used by local public contracts (schools, hospital, hostel, care homes etc) is almost certainly all or virtually all imported. The problem is that these contracts tend to be very specific (read cheap cuts - mince, stew etc) in what they want, and its not cost effective due to the relatively low volume concerned for the slaughterhouse to install a processing line to cater to them, and its not practical for the local meat wholesaler to source meat in whole, half or quarter carcass amounts such as the slaughterhouse can viably supply, due to him not having a market for the volume of more expensive cuts he'd have on his hands as a result of supplying the public contracts with predominantly cheaper cuts only. So it only works for him to ship in the amounts he needs from a larger slaughterhouse/processor who can cope with it by being large enough to absorb it on account of the greater volume/diversity of customer base they're catering to. Were the local slaughterhouse able to secure a contract with one or both local supermarkets it might well have made things very different, but the last I heard of them attempting this with Tesco, the T&C's Tesco insisted were complied with concerning processing, packaging, labelling etc were such that to comply they'd never have made money on the investment required. I really cannot understand why Tesco are/were so damn fussy, as their meat is the biggest pile of crap going despite it all. So, while local public contracts may well be serving up beef and lamd that was locally born and reared, if they are it will almost certainly have been shipped south and then back again, even if for nothing else than to be slaughtered and processed. Fish, I don't know, but given the nature of it and the volume of supply of virtually all commercial species, I would hope that at least a local supplier would be providing locally caught and locally processed fish, BUT, where Govt. red tape and civil servants dictate, absolutely nothing would surprise me. whalsa and George. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urabug Posted October 27, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2017 I'm surprised that the councils do not have a centralised distribution center serving the whole of the uk, bulk buying and providing all the council schools,care homes ,hostels ect. not only with food but anything and everything. They are years behind in there procurement methods. Tesco ,Coop ect all have there own large distribution depots this is how they are able to reduce operating costs there by giving us their customers better prices in most cases. Their could be a "council" fish buyer stationed here in Shetland supplying the whole of the UKs public establishments with the very best quality fish,and another at the Marts bidding for the best of Shetland meat. Frances144 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George. Posted October 27, 2017 Report Share Posted October 27, 2017 I'm surprised that the councils do not have a centralised distribution center serving the whole of the uk, bulk buying and providing all the council schools,care homes ,hostels ect. not only with food but anything and everything. They are years behind in there procurement methods. Tesco ,Coop ect all have there own large distribution depots this is how they are able to reduce operating costs there by giving us their customers better prices in most cases. Their could be a "council" fish buyer stationed here in Shetland supplying the whole of the UKs public establishments with the very best quality fish,and another at the Marts bidding for the best of Shetland meat. Urabug, if there was a centalised distribution centre covering the whole of the U.K, all the fish would be landed in either Devon or Cornwall, while the milk, beef, lamb and pork would be farmed on duchy land at the south end of England. Everything from elsewhere would be deemed inedible and anybody caught trying to sell it would serve life at Wormwood Scrubs. It would kill Shetland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urabug Posted October 27, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2017 I'm surprised that the councils do not have a centralised distribution center serving the whole of the uk, bulk buying and providing all the council schools,care homes ,hostels ect. not only with food but anything and everything. They are years behind in there procurement methods. Tesco ,Coop ect all have there own large distribution depots this is how they are able to reduce operating costs there by giving us their customers better prices in most cases. Their could be a "council" fish buyer stationed here in Shetland supplying the whole of the UKs public establishments with the very best quality fish,and another at the Marts bidding for the best of Shetland meat. Urabug, if there was a centalised distribution centre covering the whole of the U.K, all the fish would be landed in either Devon or Cornwall, while the milk, beef, lamb and pork would be farmed on duchy land at the south end of England. Everything from elsewhere would be deemed inedible and anybody caught trying to sell it would serve life at Wormwood Scrubs. It would kill Shetland. No No peerie Nicola would see to that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostrider Posted October 27, 2017 Report Share Posted October 27, 2017 I'm surprised that the councils do not have a centralised distribution center serving the whole of the uk, bulk buying and providing all the council schools,care homes ,hostels ect. not only with food but anything and everything. On the basis that thats the philosophy which brought us the new "two sheds" AHS 'erection', maybe, lets not go there until we see how "two sheds" works out in the bit longer term. Urabug 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George. Posted October 27, 2017 Report Share Posted October 27, 2017 I'm surprised that the councils do not have a centralised distribution center serving the whole of the uk, bulk buying and providing all the council schools,care homes ,hostels ect. not only with food but anything and everything. They are years behind in there procurement methods. Tesco ,Coop ect all have there own large distribution depots this is how they are able to reduce operating costs there by giving us their customers better prices in most cases. Their could be a "council" fish buyer stationed here in Shetland supplying the whole of the UKs public establishments with the very best quality fish,and another at the Marts bidding for the best of Shetland meat. Urabug, if there was a centalised distribution centre covering the whole of the U.K, all the fish would be landed in either Devon or Cornwall, while the milk, beef, lamb and pork would be farmed on duchy land at the south end of England. Everything from elsewhere would be deemed inedible and anybody caught trying to sell it would serve life at Wormwood Scrubs. It would kill Shetland. No No peerie Nicola would see to that! Some proof to back up the statement would be nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urabug Posted October 27, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2017 I'm surprised that the councils do not have a centralised distribution center serving the whole of the uk, bulk buying and providing all the council schools,care homes ,hostels ect. not only with food but anything and everything. They are years behind in there procurement methods. Tesco ,Coop ect all have there own large distribution depots this is how they are able to reduce operating costs there by giving us their customers better prices in most cases. Their could be a "council" fish buyer stationed here in Shetland supplying the whole of the UKs public establishments with the very best quality fish,and another at the Marts bidding for the best of Shetland meat. Urabug, if there was a centalised distribution centre covering the whole of the U.K, all the fish would be landed in either Devon or Cornwall, while the milk, beef, lamb and pork would be farmed on duchy land at the south end of England. Everything from elsewhere would be deemed inedible and anybody caught trying to sell it would serve life at Wormwood Scrubs. It would kill Shetland. No No peerie Nicola would see to that! Some proof to back up the statement would be nice. Proof ! now even I could or would not dare go that far Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SV2019 Posted November 8, 2017 Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 Hi ReadersWhy Sic all time have to take control of Investment in Shetland? why they don’t ask Investors come into Shetland build with their own monies? this goes for a lot thing houses factories food productions can be done in Shetland give jobs to locals in areas, ship goods out shetland there’s no plans drawing up to help villages and north isles for next 10- 20 years, no were SIC have north Isles Westside small unites people could rent that I see.Everything done is for Lerwick. Rest Shetland people can struggle, please Make jobs in areas for people. Were they stay villages will Develop have jobs Scallaway fish market is very much required but out there is Investors who can build and costs locals nothing companies would give jobs to locals. Its seems if SIC don’t have finger in pie it’s no Go This why Shetland outside Lerwick not developed to well in outer regions, Example if Norwegians want build tunnel welcome them don’t close door get them to table for talks working ferries next 100 years depend on weathers and repairs new ferries is not so good. We getting left behind in progress,becuse few locals dont understand situation in tunnels thats the ones live in fear of developments of area and rather hold up progress it should be ashame for them rep people in such manner Maybe hard to say this but reality, if people want tunnels SIC must push for this its the will of people of shetland Its not private business they own and run them self SIC its state service of people requirments as elected Goverment of scotland and UK thebfg and Frances144 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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