Scottish Independance?

[sheepshagger]

get of with this WE sharn styumpie, I'm not up to me ass in debt I cant afford.

I never voted for the current crop of tossers in power.

I have been saying for years that all this borrowing would come back to bite them in the ass.

80% of the new jobs created by new labour were civil service jobs that create nothing but hassle for the rest of,us, cost a fortune and come with a inflation proof pension (just like the one brown has)

But I will have to bail them out with higher taxes, reduced interest on my savings and Brown has all but wiped out my pension (hasn't touched the civil service one though).

 

but no worries the labour party will dump brown before the next election in favour of some new blood that will be electable, lets just hope the dumb bustards that voted for them the last time dont repeat their error. But to be honest I have no faith in the british electorate.

 

We have a generation of school leavers who have "A"s in english but can't spell, "A"s in maths but can't do long division, "A"s in geography and can't find Ireland on a map of europe. So what hope does any party have of sorting this mess out in the next 20 years.

[Styumpie]

get of with this WE sharn styumpie, I'm not up to me ass in debt I cant afford.

 

We as in the UK collective, not each individual such as your fine self sir People like yourself with money and no debt will be much better off during the recession than people in debt. So your frugal nature will no doubt pay off nicely. The minority of folk with a bit of foresight and intelligence can see clearly whats been going on, and are looking at the whole situation pretty much in despair. I think we are going to need tough times to bring all these dumbed down people back to some sort of reality.

[derick]

^^^

http://www.sundayherald.com/news/heraldnews/display.var.2465001.0.support_for_independence_in_decline.php

SUPPORT FOR independence has slumped in the wake of the global financial crisis, with barely one-third of voters now backing the SNP's key policy, according to a new opinion poll.

Unionist doomsayers is hardly been able ta hoid der glee - a perverse viewpoint I wid say, whin da best argument dey hae is dat da winderful Union is been dat good at we're hard up! Dat an a bit o cherrypickin some statistics aboot wir neebors, while ignorin idders. Care ta tell wis how much national debt Norway haes compared ta da Yookay?

 

Biggin support fur self determination is a long term game, an ups an doons fae day ta day or munt ta munt is joost froth. It's da years an decades at coonts.

 

Recall at da Tories hed an absolute majority o Scottish votes ida 1950s, an der decline wis slow, gradual and inexorable. Generational. In short, dey aa pegged oot wi owld age, an didna politically reproduce, fur a mercy.

 

Labour still haes an big inherited vote - but dey hae nae members (except at BBC 'Scotland', an da Daily Retard, etc), nae activists. Da 'I vote labour becis my dad voted labour' type o person isna amenable tae ony sort o reasonable argument', but dey will fade awey joost laek da Tory Dinousaurs did. Patience.

 

I happen ta tink at political pairties reflects society, reydir as shaping him. Soods horribly laek marxism but politics is largely driven bi demographics, economics an da environment.

 

http://www.sundayherald.com/news/heraldnews/display.var.2461523.0.0.php?act=complaint&cid=1952485

 

blah blah disgraceful Murphy twaddle slaggin aff wir neebors.

 

.Until now these were the economies that set SNP pulses racing.

 

Still do - an until such time at Iceland petitions fur renewed union wi Denmark, an Norway fur renewed union wi Sweden, an Ireland fur renewed union wi UK, will continue ta do so.

 

Ireland, Iceland, Norway, UK:

 

Trade balance

http://www.eyestat.com/multigraph.php?subject=Trade-Balance&Iceland=on&Ireland=on&Norway=on&United+Kingdom=on&Submit=Generate+Graph

 

Balance of Payments

http://www.eyestat.com/multigraph.php?subject=Balance-of-Payments&Iceland=on&Ireland=on&Norway=on&United+Kingdom=on&Submit=Generate+Graph

 

GNP per capita

http://www.eyestat.com/multigraph.php?subject=Gross-National-Income-per-Capita&Iceland=on&Ireland=on&Norway=on&United+Kingdom=on&Submit=Generate+Graph

 

Primary energy supply per capita

http://www.eyestat.com/multigraph.php?subject=Total-Primary-Energy-Supply-per-Capita&Iceland=on&Ireland=on&Norway=on&United+Kingdom=on&Submit=Generate+Graph

 

infant mortality

http://www.eyestat.com/multigraph.php?subject=Infant-Mortality&Iceland=on&Norway=on&United+Kingdom=on&Submit=Generate+Graph

 

Life expectancy

http://www.eyestat.com/multigraph.php?subject=Total-Life-expectancy-at-Birth&Iceland=on&Ireland=on&Norway=on&United+Kingdom=on&Submit=Generate+Graph

 

Prison population

http://www.eyestat.com/multigraph.php?subject=Prison-Population-Rate&Iceland=on&Ireland=on&Norway=on&United+Kingdom=on&Submit=Generate+Graph

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/2711051/Taxpayers-8000-Barnett-Formula-bill-for-services-in-Scotland.html

The report says that since 1985/86, public spending in Scotland has been £102 billion higher than if the country was funded at English levels.

Yet more fuel for the argument to remain part of the UK

 

Nope - dat argument is purely based on 'Identifiable' public expenditure, which is joost whit da London Government chooses ta identify - it's nowhaur near total public spending. If wir dat subsidised, whit wey ir dey so keen ta had on ta wis!!?

 

I hope the day never dawns when the UK puts 'money' ahead of helping oppressed people whether or not we ourselves are under threat. We have always stood up to bullies and tyrants and I hope we always will.

 

eh?? Du can not be seriously sayin at da invasion o Iraq hed da slightest thing ta do wi 'helping oppressed people'. Dunna see wis invading Zimbabwe or DRC, or Palestine, or Diego Garcia. Is du forgotten 'weapons of mass distruction

 

"His weapons of mass destruction programme is active, detailed and growing. The policy of containment is not working. The weapons of mass destruction programme is not shut down; it is up and running now. " Tony Bliar 24 Sept 2002

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200102/cmhansrd/vo020924/debtext/20924-01.htm

[derick]

So, is this the beginning of the end of the SNP?

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/edinburgh_and_east/7710999.stm

 

Nope. But we will need ta faster on wir feet as we wir in Glenrothes. SNP campaign focused on fuel bills, whin dey ir comin doon a peerie bit. Too slow.

 

spent 4hrs on Thursday 6th ootside a schuil. Very cowld. Ony company wis a Tory activist - an unemployed estate agent fae Hertfordshire - you couldna mak dat up!

 

Best quote oda night - dis wife comes up wi a peerie dug 'wid ye haud my dug son'. Fair enoch. Says scho 'I wisna going tae vote, but I saw Henry MacLeish in the High Street the day, and it put me right off'. an in scho geed ta mak her mark.

[sheepshagger]

If wir dat subsidised, whit wey ir dey so keen ta had on ta wis!!?

 

because dumb darlings lik de mak great cannon fodder dessy boy, aboot aa du realy is use for if de rantins on here are onything ta go be

[derick]

^^^

[Medziotojas]

Not sure what thread to put this in, so I'll fire it in here:

 

Secret plan to deprive independent Scotland of North Sea oil fields

 

Secret plan to deprive independent Scotland of North Sea oil fields

 

Magnus Linklater and George Rosie

 

Documents detailing secret government plans in the 1970s to prevent Scotland laying claim to North Sea oil have been seen by The Times. They show the extraordinary lengths to which civil servants were prepared to go to head off devolution, which was seen then as inevitably leading to independence.

 

The proposals included suggesting to Labour ministers, for whom devolution was a manifesto commitment, that progress towards a referendum should be delayed, in the hope that enthusiasm north of the Border would wane.

 

Treasury officials also advised that the boundaries of Scotland's coastal waters should be redrawn and a new sector created to “neutralise†Scotland's claim to North Sea oil – a step that was taken.

 

One Treasury official even proposed that a local campaign for independence in Orkney and Shetland should be encouraged so that Scotland would be denied access to more than half the North Sea oil. The idea was that the islands would prefer to throw in their lot with London rather than Edinburgh.

[truthteller]

In 1999 Westminster moved Scotland's Marine Boundaries from Berwick-upon-Tweed to Carnoustie. Illegally making 6000 miles of Scotland's waters English.

 

When you play golf at St Andrews and look way out to sea, you are looking at English Waters according to the treacherous Westminster powers that be.

 

There is a shocking fact that few people in Scotland or elsewhere know which is just as disgraceful as the 30 year Westminster administration and deceit over Scotland’s oil. This is the as-yet unexplained and secret action by Westminster Order in 1999 to move Scotland’s marine boundary from Berwick-upon-Tweed to Carnoustie. To this day this lost Scotland 6,000 square miles of the North Sea, nodded through at the time by the feckless and treacherous Lib/Lab arm of Westminster based in Holyrood.

 

http://www.oilofscotland.org/Scotland_marine-border.jpg

 

If you are disgusted at this information - post this poster in your Local Golf Club.

 

http://www.oilofscotland.org/Westminster_has_moved_Scotlands_marine_borders.pdf

 

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1979 Devolution Referendum - 52% said YES Westminster said NO

 

On 1 March 1979 the People were asked this question? 'Do you want the provisions of the Scotland Act 1978 to be put into effect ? ' Scotland voted in favor of devolution by 52% to 48%

 

However, after the Referendum had taken place SDP, MP George Cunningham had proposed that 40 % of the electorate must vote Yes, thus effectively counting abstainers as No voters. 32.9% of the electorate had voted Yes.

 

Had the same conditions been imposed on the 1975 EEC referendum, Scotland would have left the EEC.

 

The Act was repealed the following month (March 1979) despite Scottish MP's voting 43 to 19 against repeal.

 

The sense of betrayal that the Scottish electorate felt was unrecoverable for the Labour Party and a vote of no confidence in Callaghan's Labour government 27 days later was carried by one vote. The Labour Government collapsed and Margaret Thatcher swept to power where the Conservatives remained until 1997 despite having virtually no support in Scotland.

 

For more on The LONDON LABOUR PARTY visit

http://www.scottish-labour-party.co.uk/

 

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[PJ of Hildisvik]

I live in Shetland, and IMHO, Scottish Independance would not be in the best interests for the future of Shetland, given the chance the SNP would bleed the Isles dry, considering that they seem to be "Jealous" of the prosperity Shetland has had since oil came ashore here

[Guest Anonymous]

You have to wonder what would happen to England , Wales & Northern Ireland if overnight all that revenue was redirected straight to a scottish treasury ? ..........

In the current economic climate where it is still unsure if the country will pull through without going bankrupt , the I would reckon any change like that poster calls for would be unlikely .

Unless people start fighting and dying over resources then that would be a whole different scenario of course.

As Jim Morrison sang " the future's uncertain and the end is always near "