SNP betray Scottish independence for Queen's united kingdoms

[Peter Dow]

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On the 25th February 2010, Queen Elizabeth's First Minister Alex Salmond presented a paper entitled "Scotland’s Future: Draft Referendum (Scotland) Bill Consultation" and I quote -

Scotland’s Future: Draft Referendum (Scotland) Bill Consultation

 

1.19. Her Majesty The Queen would remain as Head of State. The current parliamentary and political Union of Great Britain and Northern Ireland would become a monarchical and social Union – united kingdoms rather than a United Kingdom – maintaining a relationship forged in 1603 by the Union of the Crowns.

 

So there is Salmond's approach printed in black and white in his own paper - he intends to deny the Scots the sovereign right of an independent nation to elect our own head of state, he intends the head of state and the Scottish sovereign to be Queen Elizabeth and the reality is Salmond opposes the sovereignty of the Scottish people, preferring the sovereignty of the Queen.

 

But then Salmond tells his big lie when presenting that publication which surrenders sovereignty to the Queen when he lied to us all -

but the important principle that underlies the approach of the SNP government and indeed the approach in this paper is of course the principle of our belief in the sovereignty of the Scottish people

 

Salmond SAYS the approach of his paper supports the sovereignty of the Scottish people but the truth is the exact opposite - Salmond's paper's approach actually surrenders sovereignty to the Queen and to the "United Kingdoms" and the Union of the Crowns.

 

This man Salmond is a bare faced LIAR who has betrayed the Scots to his Queen and goodness knows why ANY Scot believes a word out of his mouth.

 

Salmond's treachery does not end there. Even the ballot paper he proposes is rigged to stop Scots voting simply for Scottish national independence without risking the appearance of agreeing to retain the Queen.

 

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Never have the Scots been confronted with such a devious traitor as Alex Salmond.

 

The sovereignty of the Scottish people will be asserted when we Scots are allowed to elect our own head of state, a president of a Scottish republic and when our good president defends the sovereign rights and freedoms of the Scots to speak out, to protest and to govern ourselves democratically in a free country, with ALL Scots as part of the government and with no monarch as head of state. Only then will we have the sovereignty of the Scottish people truly respected.

 

There is no route to Scottish independence which includes following this traitor Salmond or supporting his referendum plan. Salmond's plan is a dead end which keeps the Scots in slavery under the brutal rule of the Queen's United Kingdoms.

 

The true route to Scottish national independence is to oust the Queen by banning her and the Windsor royal family from Scotland and to enforce that ban by any means necessary.

 

 

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Is the Scottish National Party a centre-left nationalist political party committed to Scottish Independence?

 

It seems to me this leadership of Mr Salmond raises a question and discussion point about the appropriate description of the "Scottish National Party" - and that "a centre-left nationalist political party committed to Scottish Independence" is, shall we say, "generous".

 

The thing is monarchy is a right-wing idea. So a party with a pro-monarchist policy platform, it seems to me, needs to have its self-descriptions, where it describes itself as something other than a right-wing monarchist party taken with a pinch of salt, or something.

 

It seems to me there are two approaches to analysing this question.

 

Approach 1.

 

Assume that the self-description of the party, what the party says about itself in its party name, in its party constitution

 

- in the case of the SNP, (a) that the party is a Scottish nationalist party ( that it is left of centre, left-leaning and so on,

 

- in the case of the British Labour Party (a) that the party represents the interest of Labour, trade unions and the workers ( it is a democratic socialist party

 

are fair; assume that those self-descriptions are true and correct.

 

In which case when the party leaders or documents lead in a pro-monarchist direction absolutely contradicting the core true values of the party, as they do, then those leaders do not speak for their parties, their leadership is UNCONSTITUTIONAL and ILLEGITIMATE as far as the party is concerned.

 

Approach 2.

 

Assume that when the party leaders and documents lead in a pro-monarchist direction that this direction is the true core value of the party. The party is in fact whatever the leader says it is.

 

In which case the party name, the party constitution and so on are meaningless. The SNP or Labour stand for whatever the leader SAYS it stands for - and if the leader supports the right-wing idea of monarchy then the party is a right-wing monarchist party.

 

However mostly I don't think people DO analyse such contradictions in party leaders and party declared "principles". They just watch the story on TV then they watch the next story on TV. It all kind of washes over people.

 

Not only is monarchy right-wing it is also against national independence - since an independent nation elects its own head of state and is not TOLD who its head of state is.

 

Also in opposing the true independence of the Scottish nation, by going along with the subjugation and enslavement of the Scots to the imposed head of state, Queen Elizabeth, and that being very much against the interests of the nation, the SNP royalist leaders certainly and possibly also the party (depending on which of the two above analysis approaches one takes) ARE NOT THEREFORE "NATIONALISTS" BUT TRAITORS AGAINST THE NATION!

[MuckleJoannie]

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[Peter Dow]

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Ah Mr Hunter. So good of you to respond.

 

As is widely rumoured, the income of a tramp these days can be considerable and consequently I require expert advice as regards tax avoidance and investment in tax havens such as Belize where I believe the Conservative Party invests its considerable funds under the stewardship of Lord Michael Ashcroft, the Deputy Chairman of the Conservative Party, and being as you are advertising "accountancy services to small businesses and the voluntary sector" I wondered if you could advise?

[Cammara]

Gaun yir sel big man dinna ken whit drivel yir speakin as long as you kin belive whit yir sayin and feel big aboot spoutin it then am fir one right behind ye GIRUY

[paulb]

So peter your in favour of the repressed minority shaking off there southern masters. glad to hear that your in favour of Shetland breaking away from the repressive Scottish culture. by the way we will be keeping the oil.

 

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[Ghostrider]

What's this doing here? We have nothing to do with "the Scottish Nation". We're just a poor beleagured occupied territory, struggling under the oppression of the tartan, shortbread and bagpipes jackboot since 1469.

[Peter Dow]

So peter your in favour of the repressed minority shaking off there southern masters. glad to hear that your in favour of Shetland breaking away from the repressive Scottish culture. by the way we will be keeping the oil.

Aye nae bother.

 

Good luck with keeping the English, Irish, Icelanders, Norwegian, Danish/Greenlanders, Canadians and Russians out of your business.

 

I fancy Shetland could stand alone against the Faorese maybe but that's about it.

 

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Nice flag though.

[JohanofNess]

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Ah Mr Hunter. So good of you to respond.

 

As is widely rumoured, the income of a tramp these days can be considerable and consequently I require expert advice as regards tax avoidance and investment in tax havens such as Belize where I believe the Conservative Party invests its considerable funds under the stewardship of Lord Michael Ashcroft, the Deputy Chairman of the Conservative Party, and being as you are advertising "accountancy services to small businesses and the voluntary sector" I wondered if you could advise?

 

Of more concern to the people of Aberdeen is not how Lord Ashcroft has non dom status but how Peter Dow manages to phone into Radio Scotland all day, wander about bouncing a basketball while wearing a sandwich board advertising his website. Go out and get a job Peter you can be a Republic stalwart in your tea breaks.

[Peter Dow]

What's this doing here? We have nothing to do with "the Scottish Nation".

Oh just a bit of diplomacy between sovereign nations.

 

We're just a poor beleagured occupied territory, struggling under the oppression of the tartan, shortbread and bagpipes jackboot since 1469.

Aye. It has been mostly the same for the beleaguered Scots oppression-wise since 1320 and the high point of the Declaration of Arbroath which pointed the way to a Scottish republic but the Scottish kings wiped their royal arses on our declaration at the expense of the sovereign rights of an independent nation.

 

I think the crown's hangings, drownings, beheadings and what have you of good Scots were the worst part of the Kings of Scots jackboots trampling on the Scots.

 

So Scottish freedom fighters are with you Shetlanders in your long denied cause for freedom. So sorry about the delay but we have been held up with one thing and another.

 

I didn't know the tartan, shortbread and bagpipes were forced upon anyone though if the bagpipes are close it can be hard to ignore them right enough.

 

I believe that some of the time, the tartan and bagpipes were banned in Scotland by the Union crown. Not sure about the shortbread though.

[Snaz]

Personally, I would be quite happy to see the back of shortbread. Overrated. In fact tartan and bagpipe I don't think I'd miss very much either.

[MJ]

Mr Dow. This is Shetland. The tabloids you borrow from to make those signs you inflict on people don't apply up here.

 

If you'd done a little research you may also have found that shetland is a land occupied by the SCOTS. The scots have always been good at occupying land that doesn't belong to them, Ireland being a good example closer to home (for others look up scottish slave trade, scottish missionaries, etc).

 

Shetlanders learnt quite quickly that they were better off under westminster control than edinburgh.

 

I had Jack the Mack (while still 1st minister) tell me he understood about being from an island coming from Arran. At least the English knew they had no idea.

 

There is no place up here for the racist, right wing nationalism that is common in the Northeast. And shetlanders don't take very kindly to being told what to think from folk outside the isles. Can I suggest you also google "Forvick" and "stuart hill"

[Ally]

Personally I'm still trying to recruit activists to my Sound Separatists Movement (SSM).

 

Under my proposals the entire Sound area (from tescos up) will break away from the tyrannical oppressors resident in the Lerwick Town Hall. If needs be we are prepared to forge alliances with our brothers and sisters in Gulberwick. The Picts castle will be our new seat of government and a state-of-the art harbour shall be constructed by the Grotty Buckie.

 

I expect that the Sandviene / Nederdale area will be the main conflict arena, with flashpoints in and around Sound School (which will be renamed Enlightenment Factory #1). We're also aware that Lerwick spies have been planted in the Quoys area. However, our own counter-espionage units have already executed intensive reconnaissance missions (usually at the weekends) and have isolated any potential threats to our Homeland Security.

 

Securing the primary fuel depot (sound service station) may prove difficult, but with the SSM holding the strategic higher ground I fully expect the conflict to be over within a month, with the minimum collateral damage.

[Longdog]

[Ghostrider]

@ Ally: And if that fails just plug the water main at the Ayre of Clickimin and you'll have the them on their (dirty) knees for want of water in less than 3 days.

 

However, there is a flaw in your plan, the People's Republic of Sound has no pub!

[JohanofNess]

Personally I'm still trying to recruit activists to my Sound Separatists Movement (SSM).

 

Under my proposals the entire Sound area (from tescos up) will break away from the tyrannical oppressors resident in the Lerwick Town Hall. If needs be we are prepared to forge alliances with our brothers and sisters in Gulberwick. The Picts castle will be our new seat of government and a state-of-the art harbour shall be constructed by the Grotty Buckie.

 

I expect that the Sandviene / Nederdale area will be the main conflict arena, with flashpoints in and around Sound School (which will be renamed Enlightenment Factory #1). We're also aware that Lerwick spies have been planted in the Quoys area. However, our own counter-espionage units have already executed intensive reconnaissance missions (usually at the weekends) and have isolated any potential threats to our Homeland Security.

 

Securing the primary fuel depot (sound service station) may prove difficult, but with the SSM holding the strategic higher ground I fully expect the conflict to be over within a month, with the minimum collateral damage.

 

Your plan could work but only if you give access to the food dump (tescos) to the Peoples Free Republic of Ness or we'll send up a flight of bombers from Sumburgh and blow you back to the days of bell bottoms and sideburns that bairns could hang on to. If parlay can be reached I see no reason why the ground forces of the SSM and the air superiority of the PFRoN could quite easily fend off the advances of the other envious organisations within the vicinity.