mabster Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 Howdy. Having been spat on, verbally abused and physically assaulted (on different occasions) I say stick them on an island by themselves with basic means of survival. Sheep, some workable land etc and provisions to kick start them. This gets them off the streets making our lifes a lot better and hopefully will allow them to develop into better citizens. If it's not successful just leave them there. It is not just I who suffers from there abuse. My girlfriend has had her bike stolen (thankfully recovered by a rather tall friend), been threatened... list goes on. Many of my friends and other young folk endure the same treatment. The incidents have been reported to the police who have been most understanding but naturally there's didily squat they can do. They know who partakes in such activities but sadly protocol has to be followed. Appologies for the briefness of this post and I shall add a more indepth response at a later date but I'm off to play the didgeridoo to be transported somewhere nicer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trout Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 What can be done for people that consistenly flout the law? I've alluded to as much about sending folk to an island around Shetland previously here. Could this be a viable option? The Holt-Brookes of Papa Stour's idea re: drug rehabilitation could be enhanced to incorporate a "camp" on one of the lesser inhabited islands ala a "bootcamp" stylee site where there is no way off barr by boat and they have to tend to animals etc. and generally have a very basic existence. It would of course have to be run by qualified personnel. There was a TV programme on BBC2 a fair while back re: teens in Scotland that had a choice of borstal / prison or to go on a similar course/project somewhere in the Highlands. These "kids" were for the majority from Glasgow / Dundee and at the conclusion were mostly "rehabilitated" and did not reoffend when they were followed up by the programme makers some time after - they got to see being a little pr*ck wasn't the be all and end all of life! The most important point being that they were not subjected to the general prison population in Her Majesty's B&Bs! Thereby successfully missing out on it's great program of institutionalisation. There must be the ability to gain funding for such a project should anyone pursue it?! Downsides with this however, is the scale of Shetland. Hence social polarisation and marginalisation of those taking part in such a project is potentially a probable outcome?!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMe Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 This is something I wrote in another forum after the report of some kids carrying out an armed robbery in Stranraer. Well Matt, there are bad parents as well as bad kids. Here in the UK parents, schools and the courts have all had there powers to discipline kids cut back so far that except for serious cases there is no punishment left. Schools have one sanction left........ .suspend the child from school. Wow!........ be bad and get time off school. Even the police can do little. If they arrest some little brat and he or she gets taken to court to be told off by the magistrate.. .....or the children's panel up here. And that's it.There is an answer...... .education. Todays kids need to be taught that getting arrested and taken to court is not good. The brats need to be looked down on by other kids and I think we need a multi faceted approach including giving them a lot more information about how doing something wrong now can blight their lives in the future, how crime affects people and that prison is not fun.......a guided tour of a local prison or the police cells would be good. Alongside giving information we do need to help some of the worst brats. Not just a few words from a social worker but some serious help tailored for each child. I feel sure that a cost benefit analysis would show that money spent on a child now would in the majority of cases save money on courts and prisons in the longer term. Sadly we will still need some form of sanctions against the worse offenders. And we are going to need secure units where the worst brats are prevented from doing any more bad things. I would hope that such places were run on the basis that loss of liberty is the punishment but that the unit was designed to help kids become nicer people. Ok so that is today's kids. I believe that we have to start worrying about tomorrows kids now........parents need to learn how to raise their kids to be something other than brats. And where to go for help if things are going wrong. BTW the "armed robbers" were caught and turned out to be 13 year olds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sudden Stop Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 I'm one of the many who has had a peaceful evening killing brain cells in Lerwick interupted by some neds looking to start trouble purely for kicks (no pun intended). The main ned in question (dead now BTW) didn't blink 8O once for the twenty minutes that he pestered me - totally high as a kite! When eventually the police weren't around, i was set upon. Being the cowardly turds that they were, when i didn't fall over and take a booting, they ran like little chickens. These neds are inherently cowards and are just trying to prove to each other which one is the least cowardly. Moving groups of youths on and 'breaking up' gatherings on the street doesn't achieve anything, it just gives them something to rebel against and they'll just meet up again around the corner away from Plod's view and have a good old laugh about it. Prison only introduces them to real criminals and doesn't really teach them any respect for the law, and costs us the tax payers a fortune. The biggest punishment for them (and the 'supposedly blind to the problem' parents) is to tag them and give them a curfew. That way they can still work (or steal from the dole office) during the day or do community service (at least it's a little productive) but don't have the pleasure of beating people up at night. Or just shoot them... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArabiaTerra Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 Birch the little b*stards! Seriously though, is that not the perfect solution? Some severe, but non lethal pain. They won't forget it in a hurry and it is over quickly and above all, it is cheap so a minimum of my taxes is wasted on the scum. It also keeps them clear of Her Majesty's Acadamys of Crime. I don't normally condone violence but I do feel that the Islamists have the right idea here (and I don't often agree with them either). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sudden Stop Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 Again though, they would just see it as a ned rite of passage. Yes, they would feel the pain in the short term, but seriously, I doubt it would stop many repeat offending. The tagging and curfew combination, brakes their routine of meeting other neds on the street and causing trouble as soon as the sun sets. Hopefully, if the sentence is long enough, they'll have something to think about for longer than a couple of days of pain and more socially acceptable person may emerge at the other end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudias Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 Talk to Frank Strang. He needs ideas for his redundant RAF base in Unst. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannock Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 There was a TV programme on BBC2 a fair while back re: teens in Scotland that had a choice of borstal / prison or to go on a similar course/project somewhere in the Highlands. These "kids" were for the majority from Glasgow / Dundee and at the conclusion were mostly "rehabilitated" and did not reoffend when they were followed up by the programme makers some time after - they got to see being a little pr*ck wasn't the be all and end all of life! Think this was called Airbourne if I remember rightly. It was closed when the scottish excutive withdrew funding saying it was to expensive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkstarIII Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 It is a problem right enough.. when I came up here... and was out in Lerwick.. and ran into a few neds outside the Bank I thought .... "ughhhhhhhhh!!!!" its awfy.. I mean, a beautiful place like this... wi the kind of scenery that we have here to behold.. and its ruined by goddam BURBERRY BASEBALL CAPS! and friggin shellsuit troosers! Whits next... am I going to be seeing lassies driving around with pink furry steering wheel covers and playboy bunny stickers all over their corsas or fiestas.. fluffy cushions in the backseat with soft toys and daft dangly things from the interior mirror that hit them in the face when they go round the corner....????? also windows badly blanked out so no one can see them... thats another thing I dont get.. why the hell do your car up and then blank out the windows so no one can see ye driving it??????? THE MIND BOGGLITH!!! And since I am on a roll here and neds and daft cars kinda go together... this is what I dont get either.... a car that looks great on the outside... with all the kit, neon lights, etc etc... and is a 1.2 corsa is in my humble opinion rediculous... a kit slows a car down... so what is the point! Also if they dont tell their insurance about their kit... i.e... I remember a story about a young guy( toting baseball cap) who had a mitsubishi (bad spelling again) GTO... and he bought it, did it up with all the kit and kaboodle... (didnt tell his insurance about the alloys or the kit) and guess what... someone with a people carrier rammed him... his insurance was nul and void because he didnt tell them about the kit etc... so he lost his whole car and it cost him a fortune... PLEASE NOTE! - I am not in any way saying that everyone who wears a baseball cap is indeed a ned, nor anyone who drives a tuned car is indeed a ned either.... (but the potential is there) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMe Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 It is a problem right enough.. when I came up here... and was out in Lerwick.. and ran into a few neds outside the Bank I thought .... "ughhhhhhhhh!!!!" its awfy.. I mean, a beautiful place like this... wi the kind of scenery that we have here to behold.. and its ruined by goddam BURBERRY BASEBALL CAPS! Maybe.........or maybe not. Where they a load of horrible neds or just some nice happy kids following some strange fashion trend. Just because they are wearing a baseball cap with a certain pattern.......one that might well be a fake.......are they to be judged by their "uniform". Probably a certain amount of peer pressure to dress one way or the other but a baseball cap does not make a kid bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkstarIII Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 Like I said, I am not saying that every kid that wears a baseball cap is a ned... its the same as some people have the weird idea that people who are interested in witchcraft worship the ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sudden Stop Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 And since I am on a roll here and neds and daft cars kinda go together... this is what I dont get either.... a car that looks great on the outside... with all the kit, neon lights, etc etc... and is a 1.2 corsa is in my humble opinion rediculous... a kit slows a car down... so what is the point! So, you're 'concerned' that these people are wasting potential speed? I would think that, anything that slows them down is probably gonna be a good thing! Leave them to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moorit Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 Maybe.........or maybe not. Where they a load of horrible neds or just some nice happy kids following some strange fashion trend. Just because they are wearing a baseball cap with a certain pattern.......one that might well be a fake.......are they to be judged by their "uniform". . They are indeed part of the 'uniform' worn by neds, but I agree not absolutely everyone who wears one is a ned. So I would say yes, it would be wise to judge them by their 'uniform'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigershadow Posted January 12, 2007 Report Share Posted January 12, 2007 Yeh you can tell a ned from his or her stinking attitude and behaviour. They have no respect for anyone, not even the elderly, i've seen them make fun of them. They start fights with other kids because of their dress sense/hair style/accent. Once a group stole my bike as i was in conochies, I returned only a minute later to hear it had been taken and dumped in the Christmas Tree at the cross. I later passed the toerags and they shouted abuse at me, demanding that I gave my bike to them. On reporting them to a couple of patrolling policemen the kids all ganged up and told me not to "eff with them" so I was forced not to take my bike which is my usual mode of transport. And now I too refuse to go to the street. This sort of behaviour happens every saturday without fail. I use the street for socialising with my friends, going out for a meal and a stint around the shops and every week I have either witnessed a fight or harrassments. They do it deliberately and they're having fun doing it at the expense of other people. Yesterday I noticed a few of them wearing matching white tracksuits, I reckon there was a ned wedding somewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fjool Posted January 12, 2007 Report Share Posted January 12, 2007 So I would say yes, it would be wise to judge them by their 'uniform'. Ahem. Don't make me retro-quote you on this one, Moorit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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