Shetlandic words, help needed

[sandyloo]

Fairly likkin dis forum an gaffin at a da pluttin and sheeksin. Kin somebody tell me aboot da Whalsa way o soondin baith da K an da N o wirds lik 'knowe' - 'knee' - an 'knappin' ? Somebody somewhar telt me it geed right bak tae Auld English.

[Girzie]

Hit's no chuist Whalsa fokk at says Knowe, Knife an sae on soondin da K. Yun's a Delting wye as weel.

[MuckleJoannie]

It was used on da Wastside too.

[sandyloo]

dus onybody ken its origin, I dunna think its Norse or Germanic? More likely wan o da Celtic forms.

[EM]

I dunna think its Norse or Germanic?

Why not? Modern German certainly uses the form too.

[sandyloo]

thanks,

Onybody else have any ideas of origin? My only knowledge is gleaned from a linguistics lecture which identified it as routing fae a Celtic language source. It is certainly dying a death in Whalsa as a spoken form, hoo is it faring on da Wast side?

[Siccar]

Am a toony an use da word Knowe. I think the Germanic derivation would be interesting to explore. I assumed dat Sterven was a Shetland word until I saw the same on a dutch fag packet and I think its spelt sterben in German but sounds da same.

[sandyloo]

Hi Sicar

Its no so much the actual wird - i am more interested in the origin of the expressed 'k' - as dat is more unusual. But if dey soond their K in a KN combination in Germany, I should be content we dat. Altho dir is still this doot in my mind. Maybe I joost want it to be Celtic to be akward.

[Siccar]

I had a peep in an old oxford english dictionary here says Scottish and Northern English version of knoll. Which means it could be Norse ,English OR Germanic. Anybody have a Chambers dictionary, it would be mair sense.

[Siccar]

Didna see that post afore da previous wan. I see! Good luck

[Guest Anonymous]

an dan dir da wye at da folk fae muckle ro say knowe lik it his mair letters , kinda "kinowe", dunno if dats da right old wye or if hits joost local ta dem , asweel , der da wye a sayin røy idder as rö

[DePooperit]

Da 'kn' soond haes naethin ta dui wi onything Celtic ava. Hit comes fae da Germanic languages - at includes English, Scots an Norn. Da clue is i da spellin. Wirds spelled KN wis pronunced 'kn' in Aalder English an Scots (an still is in a lock o da idder Germanic languages - dat's enes laek German, Dutch an da Scandinavian enes.) Hit's juist at da 'K' cam ta be missed oot trowe time in standard English, bit hirpled on for a start in ootadaeks bits o dialect laek wir enes.

 

Da wird 'sterve' in da Germanic languages (at includes English, Scots an Norse) oreeginally means ta dee. In Standard English hit cam ta mean ta dee o fantation, bit in Shaetlan an idder kinds o Scots hit cam ta mean ta dee o caald - so 'stervin caald', 'a cowld stervation', etc.

[sandyloo]

sorted, thanks dp

[Guest Anonymous]

i wid be stunned if dey wir ony celtic wirds here ava, evidence an historical records sha dey wir never any celtic or gaelic fok here as ta mak any odds ava, tho mair as laekly dey wid a been a antrin een

[Ghostrider]

^^ Da maist dat cam wirna dat freendly an wir shun buried a scords idda Ness lynks.