sheepshagger Posted October 8, 2007 Report Share Posted October 8, 2007 I'm still not convinced that Shetland actually has oil. It has an oil terminal. If that was even owned by Shetland then maybe the people who actually 'own' the oil would deign to do business here since it was convenient. Other than this, Shetland doesn't seem to have as large a claim to the oil as I think some people believe it does. What army does Shetland have to defend it with? Before we were ransacked by the scots Shetland owned the waters out to the point where the bottom could no longer be reached ie the edge of the continental shelf and right up to about 40+/- mile fae the coast of Norway although these boundries are not recognised today we would still have the 200 mile limit and half way between us and Norway this is the same for all countries. (but if we had been left with Udal law we would own to the deepest point between the two 40+/- mile of the coast of Norway) the U.S.of As army of course along with about 30+ other countries have you forgoten about the events of 1990/91 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lola Boomboom Posted October 8, 2007 Report Share Posted October 8, 2007 who cares about the oil! Imagine the football... Shetland v Italy at the Gilbertson park. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepshagger Posted October 8, 2007 Report Share Posted October 8, 2007 "Roy Grønneberg wrote a good summary (though maybe a bit dated now) of several island autonomy systems in his Island Governments." got this fae Tom in the island differences thread maybe it should be part of the curriculum at the school. For myself though I'll go to the times and buy a copy when I'm next home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagfinn Posted October 9, 2007 Report Share Posted October 9, 2007 Easy to be gung ho and prosperous when a big cheque comes in every month from Kobnhavn...Aided by a substantial annual subsidy (about 15% of GDP) from Denmark, the Faroese have a standard of living not far below the Danes and other Scandinavians. Well, 15% isn´t that big part of the cake, is it? https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/fo.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagfinn Posted October 9, 2007 Report Share Posted October 9, 2007 No please lets not compare with Faroe. They are up to their wee bums in debt to Denmark and are beholding to them for everything they do and buy. That´s a kind of ancient news, back from the 1990´s (that´s in the last millenium) you come up with, isn´t it? Here are some updated numbers from: Statistics Faroe Islands, National accounts and balance of payment. Faroe Islands, Net external debt in mio. Danish Kroner 1988 ..... 7.755,00 mio. D.Kr.1989 ..... 8.264,00 -1990 ..... 8.494,00 -1991 ..... 8.184,00 -1992 ..... 7.770,00 -1993 ..... 6.661,00 -1994 ..... 5.390,00 -1995 ..... 4.400,00 -1996 ..... 3.024,00 -1997 ..... 2.190,00 -1998 ..... -211,00 -1999 ..... -1.430,00 -2000 ..... -2.458,00 -2001 ..... -3.572,00 -2002 ..... -3.485,00 -2003 ..... -3.419,00 -2004 ..... -3.373,00 - Year 2004 External Liabilities ... - 6.004,7 mio. Danish KronerExternal Assets........ + 9.377,5 ----- External Net........... + 3.372,8 mio Danish Kroner in Assets abroad http://www.hagstova.fo/portal/page?_pageid=33,362886&_dad=portal&_schema=PORTAL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepshagger Posted October 9, 2007 Report Share Posted October 9, 2007 My god looks lik were going to have to put this to a vote in the real world Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepshagger Posted October 9, 2007 Report Share Posted October 9, 2007 here's yet another reason not to be a part of the UKbecause of the current foot and mouth outbreak in England and we cant sell lambs. no foot and mouth here and very little chance of it reaching here but 30,000+/- animals will have to be burnt for no good reason.If we were independent we could of exported these animals to the continent direct from here no need to go through the UK.this would feed a hell of a lot of hungry folk J.A.France and for that matter most of Western Europe is one hell of a lot closer to Surrey than we are so how come they are not destroying animals there.The lunatics really are running the asylum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Njugle Posted October 9, 2007 Report Share Posted October 9, 2007 Good point in the current time SS, i was tempted to start a thread on that very subject. Another "what the....?" subject. They canna give the lambs to schools, auld folks hom's or something rather than dump them, it's outrageous! Giving them away to the public free is apparently a no-no too as it would steal trade fae the shops, fair enough but it's still a crime to dump perfectly good maet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepshagger Posted October 10, 2007 Report Share Posted October 10, 2007 Hopefully they'll no aa get burnt I'll be wantin boiled chops and bannocks when I win hom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan Posted October 10, 2007 Report Share Posted October 10, 2007 Norway has built up a surplus of cash to the tune of £100+ billion has the highest standard of living in Europe and not that much more oil than Shetland.The fishing industry is thriving and fish farming did not suffer anything like it did in Shetland all due to the fact that they have self determination.I'm still not convinced that Shetland actually has oil. It has an oil terminal. If that was even owned by Shetland then maybe the people who actually 'own' the oil would deign to do business here since it was convenient. Other than this, Shetland doesn't seem to have as large a claim to the oil as I think some people believe it does. What army does Shetland have to defend it with? Before we were ransacked by the scots Shetland owned the waters out to the point where the bottom could no longer be reached ie the edge of the continental shelf and right up to about 40+/- mile fae the coast of Norway although these boundries are not recognised today we would still have the 200 mile limit and half way between us and Norway this is the same for all countries. (but if we had been left with Udal law we would own to the deepest point between the two 40+/- mile of the coast of Norway) the U.S.of As army of course along with about 30+ other countries have you forgoten about the events of 1990/91 Norway has the benefit of a liberal socialist legacy of government, not to mention around 1000 times the geographical space and therefore capacity and capability to produce exchange value from its resources. This has allowed the governments of the country to gather and spend state funds on internal infrastructure, etc. It now has a largely Administrative and Technological economy made up from a highly skilled workforce. Shetland has neither the history nor the latter attributes. The fishing industry is productive economically because they are not an EU country, however, what effect this will have on the longer term environmental effect and sustainability of the industry we are yet to see. Norway was one of the last countries to give equal rights to women, it has the highest male suicide rate in the world, one of the the highest rates of alcoholism, the highest single person population in the world and one of the lowest birthrates. On the udal law argument, Shetland never owned herself before the 15th century dowry to Scotland. The islands belonged to the Danish Kingdom, as did Norway under a relationship of serfdom. If you want udal law you must also want a reversal of Imperial productive progress. i.e feudalism then capitalism for the system to work. Without a time machine the chances are slim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medziotojas Posted October 10, 2007 Report Share Posted October 10, 2007 Re: Norway it has the highest male suicide rate in the world Slightly off topic I know, but I think you'll find Lithuania holds that particular accolade. Norway doesn't even make it into the top ten. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan Posted October 10, 2007 Report Share Posted October 10, 2007 Re: Norway it has the highest male suicide rate in the world Slightly off topic I know, but I think you'll find Lithuania holds that particular accolade. Norway doesn't even make it into the top ten. Yes, you are right - I stand corrected. Though I still think that it is fairly high for a developed European country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagfinn Posted October 10, 2007 Report Share Posted October 10, 2007 Yes, you are right - I stand corrected. Though I still think that it is fairly high for a developed European country.You mean, if Norway became a part of Denmark once again, their suicide rate would fall? I believe it has something to do with Norway having long and dark winters. I read somewhere that the further away from the Equator you get, the higher the suicide rate. Something to do with short daylight in winter giving depression, "Winter depression" or "Seasonal affective disorder" it´s called. As you know, most European countries lie south of Norway, hence it´s natural that Norway, "holds the record".Greenland has one of the highest suicide rates in the world, and this fits well the "Winter depression" theory. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_depression Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Inky Posted October 10, 2007 Report Share Posted October 10, 2007 I read somewhere that the further away from the Equator you get, the higher the suicide rate. Seems to be a little more complex that that: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cb/Suicide_rates_map.svg/800px-Suicide_rates_map.svg.png Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagfinn Posted October 10, 2007 Report Share Posted October 10, 2007 Seems to be a little more complex that that: Well given that the grey (no data) countries (Africa/Indo-China/Indonesia) all are blue, this map, at least partly, confirms the winter depression theory. (It doesn´t surprise me, that present and former communist countries are on top, for social reasons.)BTW this map actually puts Norway below the rest of the european countries. But I guess we are off the actual topic "Shetland independence" now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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