Deportation - Apparently A Debate Thread?? :?

[peeriesooky]

i think der is a problem wi too mony folk involved in da campaign are gettin a peerie bit twitchy and seeing attacks or digs whar der isna ony. dis can be understandable given da magnitude o da situation, but it is jist as problematic when folk see problems or attacks dat arna dey're as der is when folk are haeing a dig. du can be overly sensitive sometimes.

[Jonners]

tae be fair, tho, it is a lang thread tae trawl through on da off chance dat yer questions been answered

 

No, not good enough. It's not difficult to navigate the other threads and most of the relevant points are within the last few pages anyway. This comment also sticks in the craw slightly when there are so many people expending so much energy for such a good cause. It's too much effort to move your mouse and click a button? Please.

 

There's nothing wrong with asking questions but this can be done in a constructive way. A lot of these 'sceptic' posts have this unfortunate accusatory, mean-spirited tone which is unhelpful.

 

In terms of the other immigration cases I think Muppet hits the nail on the head with his recent posts.

[breeksy]

Probably more to do with the circumstances. If I recall correctly, the women (and children) were applying for citizenship and were in danger of being refused. They were not hauled off to a high security jail in a dawn raid.

 

I would agree - also there was only five days before he could have been sent back to Thailand - it needed to be done quickly, and in order to be effective needed to get as many people involved as possible in a short time.

 

There was a high profile (within Shetland) campaign - but it wouldn't really be regarded as so newsworthy nationally and internationally as there is such a big political back story to sakchai's case as well.

 

I'm not sure why this is relevant though?

[Sam]

da point an affy lot o folk seem tae be missing on here is dat u canna expect folk to help a campaign wioot asking questions. and if dey du ask questions, you canna belittle dem.............................

 

I dont disagree with anything you are saying. But in some cases the same questions are being asked over and over again after they have been adequately answered.

 

This can quite easily give the impression that there is a problem where none exists, and that the writer is having a sly dig, rather than being supportive.

 

I'm sure if you read back through the thread you will see what I mean.

 

thats the thing there is too much beign said over and over again all thei back patting blockes up the debate thread whish s not a rebate atall as if you debate too much you get ditched or atacked by pvt messeges.

 

this goes for all the good points and the same questions being repeted again.

 

i do think one of the problems is the very very long postings - no one can be arsed reading them all, thus missing the points - thats why the questions get asked again

[muddybay-kyebeoy]

"thats the thing there is too much beign said over and over again all thei back patting blockes up the debate thread whish s not a rebate atall as if you debate too much you get ditched or atacked by pvt messeges.

 

this goes for all the good points and the same questions being repeted again.

 

i do think one of the problems is the very very long postings - no one can be arsed reading them all, thus missing the points - thats why the questions get asked again"

 

 

No it is not. The same unconstructive, antagonistic questions get asked over and over again because THEY HAVE AN AXE TO GRIND. You may have noticed Sam that on the rare occasions you do ask something constructive, Davie or whoever else will answer courteously and thank you for your insight. But most of it is hastily typed nonsense, that does not add to the debate in any way whatsoever. Asking questions is great - but sometimes it is so patronising that you are forcing eejits lik me to respond!! Please be more constructive!!

 

Again, I will say how proud I am to see people power in Shetland win the first stage of a long fight - keep it up.

[peeriesooky]

tae be fair, tho, it is a lang thread tae trawl through on da off chance dat yer questions been answered

 

No, not good enough. It's not difficult to navigate the other threads and most of the relevant points are within the last few pages anyway. This comment also sticks in the craw slightly when there are so many people expending so much energy for such a good cause. It's too much effort to move your mouse and click a button? Please.

 

There's nothing wrong with asking questions but this can be done in a constructive way. A lot of these 'sceptic' posts have this unfortunate accusatory, mean-spirited tone which is unhelpful.

 

but no aabody hus da time tae trawl thru 3 threads of 49 pages of numerous posts on da off chance dat da answer to yer question mite have been answered. so yea, fir sum folk it is too much effort to move your mouse and click a button.

 

and as fir "unfortunate accusatory, mean-spirited tone which is unhelpful", it is possible dat if du's seeing dis tone, dat perhaps du's reading it wrang. jist coz du picks up a tone, disnae mean du's rite. and this accusation dat anyboady dat disna hae da time tae trawl thru aa da relevant pages is less supportive o da campaign dan somewan else simply coz somewan else can afford dat time also comes wi a "unfortunate accusatory, mean-spirited tone which is unhelpful".

no aabody has a lot o free time or a 9-5 job than dey can drap aa der ain responsibilities fir sumthing else. but dis disna mean du shud judge dem. if somewan asks a question, is it sae haird tae jist answer dem in a polite civil tone and get on wi things?

[peeriesooky]

The same unconstructive, antagonistic questions get asked over and over again because THEY HAVE AN AXE TO GRIND.

 

likewise, dis is da same accusatory tone dat is uncalled for in dis thread/forum. if du feels somethings antagonising you, why carry it on? and why mak accusations of things you are guessing on? you dinna ken da reasons behind somewans question? you can guess, but you dinna ken fir sure

 

(I am trying wi the english, just keep forgetting. sorry )

[muddybay-kyebeoy]

You have contradicted yourself over the accusatory tone thing there, but I will let it lie. Forgot about capital letters being shouty, it was meant as a reference that other folk had said it previously. Typing in dialect not a problem for me, its when dialect is misspelt that words become indecipherable.

 

This is not helping the worthwhile cause, and I feel I'm adding fuel to the argumentative fire, so grumpy git here will go and watch soul sucking telly fur a while!

[peeriesooky]

but you see how easy it is for misinterpretation? jist because someboady taks sumthing as accusatory/unhelpful/mean-spirited/disruptive or whitever, disnae mean that dat's whit it wis meant as. dinna jump tae conclusions.

there huv bin a lot of accusations flying about dis forum of people trying to cause arguments, carry on arguments, disrupt things etc, but having looked through it aa i think everyboady has tae look at demsels and ask "did i really help matters there, or did i also make things worse?".

often the accusations are just as bad as the initial posts themselves. naeboady is whiter than white, but naeboady is blacker as black either (if you git me meaning)

if you think someboady has an axe to grind or whitever, fine, bottle it up and keep it tae yersel rather has having a heated discussion/argument on here, as what if you're wrong?

better to have bin rite but no damaged onything by adding to it, than wrang and done mair damage fir nothing.

[moorit]

 

likewise, dis is da same accusatory tone dat is uncalled for in dis thread/forum. if du feels somethings antagonising you, why carry it on? and why mak accusations of things you are guessing on? you dinna ken da reasons behind somewans question? you can guess, but you dinna ken fir sure

 

(I am trying wi the english, just keep forgetting. sorry )

 

Your English seemed ok in this previous post.

 

I do feel for his staff and if i worked there i too would have resigned. I would not want my kids anywhere near the place now and i used to take them there. I dont care what excuses are given. The fact is he had a serious amount ( even 1 is too many never mind the 4000 + that he had accumulated in 4 months) of images on his computer and he got caught. He should be punished since it is sick b******s like him who keep the child porn industry going. There is no way he should get away with it or people trying to calm the situation down since he ADMITTED it. There is no getting away from the fact he is a pervert.

[peeriesooky]

i didnae say i couldna use english, jist keep forgetting tae.

took me ages to write that post you use as an example, as i had tae mak sure i stuck tae english, but i noticed ithers type as dey spik, so why can't i?

so whits di point?

or yet again, are folk trying tae drag a thread intae disrepute under da guise o makin a point?

(i put dat as a question as i am no saying dat is definately whit du's daing)

[moorit]

i didnae say i couldna use english, jist keep forgetting tae.

took me ages to write that post you use as an example, as i had tae mak sure i stuck tae english, but i noticed ithers type as dey spik, so why can't i?

so whits di point?

or yet again, are folk trying tae drag a thread intae disrepute under da guise o makin a point?

(i put dat as a question as i am no saying dat is definately whit du's daing)

 

I was complimenting your English, as you seemed to be a bit of a sensitive soul who needed a bit of reassurance.

[littlemissbrightside]

I am getting a little confused when reading these posts, I thought it was a debate thread on a discussion forum??

 

There does seem to be a few cases where comments are being dismissed as they are appearing not to be in favour of the 'debated' cause.

 

It is very easy to become defensive over comments that conflict with ideas you feel passionately about but to belittle or undermine (for want of better words) someone for there passions or ideas lying elsewhere and being different to yours isn't what I thought a debate was.

Surely everyone's opinion is rightly theirs and they have the freedom of speech to express it, whether or not you like it and this is afterall a democratic country we live in....??

And while there are comments on this thread I don't necessarily agree with, I do try to remember that it is a 'debate' thread and in every debate there are differing and opposing sides. As Tartanlass quotes at the end of her posts "Treat others like you'd like to be treated yourself".

[WindyMiller]

Surely everyone's opinion is rightly theirs and they have the freedom of speech to express it, whether or not you like it and this is afterall a democratic country we live in....??

And while there are comments on this thread I don't necessarily agree with, I do try to remember that it is a 'debate' thread and in every debate there are differing and opposing sides.

 

In a democratic country there is indeed a freedom of speech to express opinions. However this right has limitations and does not include a right to force opinions upon others. The constraints of the debate within this forum are entirely controlled by the domain holders and not some rule of law. It has been made clear that this website is unashamedly behind the campaign for Sakchai. If your concerns are not getting the respect you feel they deserve, then it IS your right to use or create another website. If your concerns are valid, the population will follow you. Or you may just be on your own.

[Ally]

I am getting a little confused when reading these posts, I thought it was a debate thread on a discussion forum??

 

There does seem to be a few cases where comments are being dismissed as they are appearing not to be in favour of the 'debated' cause.

 

It is very easy to become defensive over comments that conflict with ideas you feel passionately about but to belittle or undermine (for want of better words) someone for there passions or ideas lying elsewhere and being different to yours isn't what I thought a debate was.

Surely everyone's opinion is rightly theirs and they have the freedom of speech to express it, whether or not you like it and this is afterall a democratic country we live in....??

And while there are comments on this thread I don't necessarily agree with, I do try to remember that it is a 'debate' thread and in every debate there are differing and opposing sides. As Tartanlass quotes at the end of her posts "Treat others like you'd like to be treated yourself".

 

I don't see anyones opinions being belittled or undermined - If someone can't come up with a decent argument then they can hardly hope to win over others to their cause.

 

If I was to come out with something inflammatory like “I hate the English", would that be an opinion that I'm allowed to have? Of course.

 

It would be my opinion and my right to have it. However, people should be allowed to take me up on it without me complaining about being picked on!

 

Besides, we need to ask why this thread was created. I think it was because there was some discourse about whether Sakchai’s deportation or treatment was right or wrong.

 

I’ve yet to see anyone come out and clearly state that they disagree with the Shetland for Sakchain campaign. If they did so then, while I may disagree with them, I’d certainly not have a problem with them on a personal level.

 

What I do detect is a certain resentment from some people, although they seem reluctant to come out and say why, which I find strange – especially as most folk use nicknames and are protected by relative anonymity.