independent scotland

[shetlandpeat]

Are you wanting the "new" Scotland to dump social welfare? At the moment, they are well ahead of England when it comes to issues such as supporting those in need or ill. You too are in danger of abbusing the facts, "the dark ages". Sadly, it is what we have come to debate nowadays, the total doom and gloom, worst ever senario and the four horsemen on their way. Latching on to this nipple shows a lack of opportunity to discover more about what you want to create. No thinking, just recitals of others wishes and propaganda.

[Suffererof1crankymofo]

The "new" Scotland is also well ahead on a gross infringement of civil liberties and that I'd be more than happy to dump.  The legislation pertaining to vulnerable adults is often misused and abused by local authorities.  They prefer to focus on the disabilities of a person as opposed to the person, and whilst adored by social workers, the legislation has been criticised by more than one charity.

 

Let's not forget the children's guardian legislation too, more state interference; again criticised for not being thought through adequately, etc.

[shetlandpeat]

That is why I said this as well....

 

 

Latching on to this nipple shows a lack of opportunity to discover more about what you want to create. No thinking, just recitals of others wishes and propaganda.

 

If you are going to support a Yes vote, then how do you see it being done? Still, what ever happens, information will be released that can be challenged. So, in a way, your post does not show any forward thinking, no way to solve such issues has been suggested.

 

Now, if your post had a different tack, then it may have been positive, how can we, rather than the negative spin that is demonstrated? However, this is always so easy to tease from its hole. As shown.

[Ghostrider]

If you are going to support a Yes vote,....

 

Can't see that thought occuring to anyone who isn't a hard core masochist.

Edited August 17, 2014 by Ghostrider

[Scorrie]

Or folk could vote 'Yes' to get us away from the Home County focussed idiots in Westminster and then ensure that the slavering hard left Scotch factions are kept down by not voting for them in the Holyrood elections.

 

Just saying, like.

[Ghostrider]

....ensure that the slavering hard left Scotch factions are kept down by not voting for them in the Holyrood elections.

 

This could work, *if* much of southern Scotland knew how to vote for anything other than a Socialist, and there's more of them than us.

[shetlandpeat]

A right wing Scotland, excellent ploy.

[Ghostrider]

A right wing Scotland, excellent ploy.

 

If it ain't after independence, and it certainly won't be, I'm leaving. Had far more than enough of the looney lefty experience in the last 15 years of devolution, absolute power in the hands of the same nutters can only be a living hell.

[Scorrie]

A right wing Scotland, excellent ploy.

 

SP, wanting to keep hard left idiots away from power does not imply that it is a 'right wing'  ploy.

 

There are plenty of Lib Dem and more centrally minded folk out there, we just need to watch out for the SNP pandering to the dyed-in-the-wool Scotch left who were the core support for the SNP in the early days.

 

GR is right with his comment, there's a lot of brainwashed sheep in the Scotch sooth who cannot think for themselves and whose default setting for voting is "what their fathers done before". Not the way forward for a positive Scotland, the last thing we'd need is political system two party dinosaurs roaming the Holyrood landscape.

[shetlandpeat]

France may be OK, after all, once were ally to Scotland, LePen may be mightier than the Sword? Allas, there is always revolution after the right turn, unless of course you subjugate the population. I very much doubt that will happen.

 

http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/unfairpark/boysign.gif

 

 

Hard Left, you need the mix, it will be one of the things you have to weigh up. Remove the hard left and you have those on the hard Right and the rest (just keeping up with the worst case senario for continuity). When, actually, you do not have the Hard Left in any form of control,I also doubt you will. Of course, it is subjective. I would guess that the Independant SIC may be a bench mark? I doubt however that will not go without further comment. We are all at the will of the masses, Vox Populi or even for some Vox Dei. Who let them in?!?

 

Nec audiendi qui solent dicere, Vox populi, vox Dei, quum tumultuositas vulgi semper insaniae proxima sit

Edited August 17, 2014 by shetlandpeat

[Kavi Ugl]

Politically speaking I'm probably centre ground, a tiny bit to the right.

 

I believe 100% in helping the genuine poor and disabled whilst promoting personal and business freedom.

 

I believe in a fairer society where decent, working people get a liveable wage but aren't hammered with taxes. At the moment we have the worst of both with people on poor wages being taxed to death because we're still picking up the pieces of New Labour's rein(Socialism).

 

I know the minimum wage was brought in and that's to be welcomed but it's pointless when you take more than what you give.

 

 

Socialism is a greedy monster that doesn't know when to stop and doesn't know the reality of economics. That's what happened in the 70s which is why I refered to the dark ages. That's also what happened in the 90s. New Labour did the same but under a different name.

 

If an Independant Scotland is voted for it won't be long before either a Labour or a new Socialist Party is voted in and it'll be a disaster resulting in the oil industry and businesses leaving in droves because of insane tax levels, red tape and interfering government.

 

If there was such a thing as Moderate Socialism it would probably be a good thing but there isn't and never will be.

 

2016 and Scotland welcomes President Tommy Sheriden and his party Solidarity Scotland.

 

Help......

Edited August 17, 2014 by Kavi Ugl

[fionajohn]

Denmark please find a document that state that you can reclaim us an release us from the demented ravings of the S N P 

[Who Knows]

There is a right of centre group campaigning for a Yes vote.

 

http://www.wealthynation.org/our-goal/

 

Apparently true socialist consider the UK Labour Party a right wing party.

 

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/06/07/ukip-j07.html

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013/10/24/labo-o24.html

 

However fair society with social justice and equality in society are what many are seeking from a Yes vote.

 

http://reidfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/The-Common-Weal.pdf

http://reidfoundation.org/work-programme/

Edited August 17, 2014 by Who Knows

[shetlandpeat]

How would you balance business tax and personal tax?

 

I was quite happy thinking that folk should all be taxed say at 40% and not pay anymore tax. That will probably not work in todays me me me society. How would big business pay if they were not going to be burdened with tax. If current levels are a burden, then you could suggest lowering the tax rates for business. It will certainly benefit the oil industry as I am sure they are skint. Tax is a good way to control some activities, if you reduce the tax on the whole, you could end up with less economical production methods in place, that is, higher polution levels, cars kept on the road longer and so on.

You will need some money however to look after the aging population and the sick. These are on the up. The system will basically replicate what is already in place. this will probably remain until the country can reform all it thinks it has to.

 

It could be the start of something wonderful, an utopia. If it works. Though, the right to maximise will always be there...

[Scorrie]

France may be OK, after all, once were ally to Scotland, LePen may be mightier than the Sword? Allas, there is always revolution after the right turn, unless of course you subjugate the population. I very much doubt that will happen.

 

http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/unfairpark/boysign.gif

 

 

Hard Left, you need the mix, it will be one of the things you have to weigh up. Remove the hard left and you have those on the hard Right and the rest (just keeping up with the worst case senario for continuity). When, actually, you do not have the Hard Left in any form of control,I also doubt you will. Of course, it is subjective. I would guess that the Independant SIC may be a bench mark? I doubt however that will not go without further comment. We are all at the will of the masses, Vox Populi or even for some Vox Dei. Who let them in?!?

 

Nec audiendi qui solent dicere, Vox populi, vox Dei, quum tumultuositas vulgi semper insaniae proxima sit

 

Fair comment, you need checks and balances right across the political spectrum. The complete absence of one sector of the political scene is something that is definitely Not Good. The far right and left both have a part to play - even if it is only to make the more moderate parties pay attention a little more keenly......

For example I think George Galloway is a complete ass, but he says what he thinks and doesn't give a monkeys about any criticism he may get. We need more politicians with gonads like that instead of 'toe the party line' career politicians.

 

Personally, I'd like to see Holyrood completely full of independent MP's with not one of the 'old' parties getting a sniff. Ain't gonna happen, though.