Shetland_boys Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 Glad its finally nearly open and i am looking forward to seeing films there and gigs. But I am still worried in this time of no money the running cost as there is no way i can see it breaking even, which is a shame. Pity it was not built years ago with the sports centres, then it would have not have gotten such a negative response. It may well have got such a negative response and TBH, none of us really know as we can't turn back the clock. Given, however, that the crowd capacity, the 'let us shove as much into one space as possible' attitude (probably the fault of the SIC though in order to give more dosh to it), not to mention the design, its location and lack of parking - in a nutshell, it probably would have got the same response. Get the blooming thing up and running then we can ascertain if it really will turn into a white elephant or meet the approval of the masses ... and perhaps in 5-10 years' time we can see just whether or not the infamous roof crumbles away or stands the test of (weathered) time, and, perish the thought, if it makes a profit. True, give it a chance before condoning it.Also i assumed the land where the DITT building was going to be the car park so there should be tuns of space. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostrider Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 Also i assumed the land where the DITT building was going to be the car park so there should be tuns of space. Count the marked spaces, then add an estimated number for the office site - I'm seeing sixtyish give or take, for (presumably) customers, staff and service vehicles. It poses a bit of a dilemma insofar as Mareel relies on many bums on seats to meet financial projections, yet the maximum who can drive there and leave their vehicles while they use the facility (assuming all spaces are customer filled and all vehicles had four occupants....) is circa 250. In plain language, if there's a full capacity gig on, a minimum of 60+% of attendees are going to have to walk or get a taxi or a lift for the dedicated carpark to cope. It may be adequate, time will tell, but you'd suspect folk on a busy night (say a reasonably popular gig and film on at the same time) are going to have to be leaving cars all round the North Ness and in the Upper Fort to find parking room. Roll on August so that its capabilities and limitations can be known, this building has a hell of a lot to live up to the way its been talked up, and a hell of a lot more to (dis)prove given what is known and/or seen so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shetland_boys Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 It would take say 2 - 3 minutes max to walk down the road from the town hall car park and even less time from the great wall car park. I dont think parking is an issue in my mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nederlander Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 There are also all the spaces at the new council offices and the other North Ness areas, which will more than likley be empty from 5pm onwards. pootle me, is there nothing that some of you won't criticise? Shetlink is just one big slag fest now, dominated by 3 or 4 doom merchants and naysayers. A damn shame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shetland_boys Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 pootle me, is there nothing that some of you won't criticise? Shetlink is just one big slag fest now, dominated by 3 or 4 doom merchants and naysayers. A damn shame. lol i asked my dad to rejoin shetlink the other day and he said the same thing you said!! He didnt rejoin :S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohanofNess Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 ^ so you made it up and posted it on a public forum. Helpful! But seriously, it's no wonder there are so many rumours circulating Rumours is all it is, stuff made up by folk that know little to nothing about it trying to pass off opinion as fact. I'd love to meet the punter who started the rumour it was sliding into the harbour just to see if they genuinely believed it or were stirring crap for the hell of it. How they'd manage to have a 50% overspend on a public project like Mareel without all the "folk in the know" knocking about the isles picking up on it Christ only knows. I just hope the place opens without any problems and gets up to speed quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostrider Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 There are also all the spaces at the new council offices and the other North Ness areas, which will more than likley be empty from 5pm onwards. pootle me, is there nothing that some of you won't criticise? Shetlink is just one big slag fest now, dominated by 3 or 4 doom merchants and naysayers. A damn shame. I suppose not if your definition of "criticise" and "slag off" is anything and everything that doesn't conform to your own exact POV. Mareel has become a holier than holy in some people's minds, and anything other than toeing the line and praising it to high heaven is met with an unbelievable sensitivity, and decried as an attack criticising and slagging it off. Methinks the lady/gentleman protesteth too much.... Shetland-boys expressed an opinion that they believe Mareel parking is quite adequate, I expressed an opinion that I believe it is quite inadequate. Do I care whose right or wrong? Not one jot. Just expressing my opinion as people do on a public forum, end of. If that's your definition of criticising and slagging something off, well, you must meet little else, as pretty much nothing pleases all of the people all of the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shetland_boys Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 I hope they serve popcorn *Dances in excitement* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nederlander Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 There are also all the spaces at the new council offices and the other North Ness areas, which will more than likley be empty from 5pm onwards. pootle me, is there nothing that some of you won't criticise? Shetlink is just one big slag fest now, dominated by 3 or 4 doom merchants and naysayers. A damn shame. I suppose not if your definition of "criticise" and "slag off" is anything and everything that doesn't conform to your own exact POV. Mareel has become a holier than holy in some people's minds, and anything other than toeing the line and praising it to high heaven is met with an unbelievable sensitivity, and decried as an attack criticising and slagging it off. Methinks the lady/gentleman protesteth too much..... I suppose I'm someone from Shetland Arts am I? Nothing to do with my point of view actually, merely an observation of what Shetlink has turned into in the past year or so. It didn't used to be like it is now. It's been taken over by the types of people previously mentioned, who have a presence on almost every thread on the site. We all know who they are. I don't think that Mareel or indeed Shetland Arts are beyond critism at all, indeed I think that there have been many mistakes made, but I don't sit at my laptop desperatley thinking of any small detail that I could attack. It would appear to myself, and many others besides, that this is exactly what some people do. I'm looking forward to it opening and hope it does very well. Ps. Actually, I do have a complaint about the colour of the chairs in the cinema; How did they come to pick this colour? Were tests done on the Shetland public to confirm that it wouldn't make at least one person spontaneuosly combust? Will the noise of the colour deafen people living near by? Will colour blind people be able to read their seat number? *Add ridiculous, unfounded and laughable complaint/question/allegation here*. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nederlander Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 Shetland-boys expressed an opinion that they believe Mareel parking is quite adequate, I expressed an opinion that I believe it is quite inadequate. Do I care whose right or wrong? Not one jot. Just expressing my opinion as people do on a public forum, end of. If that's your definition of criticising and slagging something off, well, you must meet little else, as pretty much nothing pleases all of the people all of the time. Yes, but you discounted the many parking spaces within spitting distance of Mareel. The only reason I can think that you did this was to suit your own POV.  All the car parks in town are more or less empty past five o'clock, which is when I would think Mareel will be at it's busiest. It seems to be a Shetland thing that walking any distance from a car park to an event, or anything even, is a major problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shetland_boys Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 http://i46.tinypic.com/1z5t6x1.jpgTo the Key Board Worriors Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostrider Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 There are also all the spaces at the new council offices and the other North Ness areas, which will more than likley be empty from 5pm onwards. pootle me, is there nothing that some of you won't criticise? Shetlink is just one big slag fest now, dominated by 3 or 4 doom merchants and naysayers. A damn shame. I suppose not if your definition of "criticise" and "slag off" is anything and everything that doesn't conform to your own exact POV. Mareel has become a holier than holy in some people's minds, and anything other than toeing the line and praising it to high heaven is met with an unbelievable sensitivity, and decried as an attack criticising and slagging it off. Methinks the lady/gentleman protesteth too much..... I suppose I'm someone from Shetland Arts am I? Nothing to do with my point of view actually, merely an observation of what Shetlink has turned into in the past year or so. It didn't used to be like it is now. I really couldn't care who you are, if you wanna have the opinion that anything you preceive as an "attack" or "critisicm" of Mareel must be derided and silenced, that's your perogative. Shetlink didn't used to be "like" what exactly? Take a look back of the six and a half years, there's some pretty rum and weird ass crap gone on along the way, along with just about everything else. I don't think that Mareel or indeed Shetland Arts are beyond critism at all, indeed I think that there have been many mistakes made, but I don't sit at my laptop desperatley thinking of any small detail that I could attack. It would appear to myself, and many others besides, that this is exactly what some people do. Really?!? Time to get some new eyes then I fear if thats how things appear. Strangely enough I regularly get told "you posted on Shetlink what I would have, but didn't, as I'd just have been shot down and slagged off for saying it". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostrider Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 Shetland-boys expressed an opinion that they believe Mareel parking is quite adequate, I expressed an opinion that I believe it is quite inadequate. Do I care whose right or wrong? Not one jot. Just expressing my opinion as people do on a public forum, end of. If that's your definition of criticising and slagging something off, well, you must meet little else, as pretty much nothing pleases all of the people all of the time. Yes, but you discounted the many parking spaces within spitting distance of Mareel. The only reason I can think that you did this was to suit your own POV. I think you'll find I mentioned the North Ness and the Upper Viking Car Park, being as they were nearest. You'll have to have a good spit going on if you can reach the Town Hall or the Fort from Hay's though..... Point in hand though is, while Mareel/Shetland Arts have an arrangement for now to use the "White House" (or whatever its been dubbed) car park at the moment, it, and the rest of the North Ness aren't (AFAIK) public car parks, and may not necessarily be available in the future. They are there first and foremost to service the buildings they are associated with, and any significant detriment to that is going to put their availability in jeopardy. Ideally a public building would have dedicated carparking adequate to accomodate its average capacity and not rely on public car parks and "borrowed" space from other entities, the fact it doesn't is just one more point towards proving that far too much has been squeezed in to a far too small site It seems to be a Shetland thing that walking any distance from a car park to an event, or anything even, is a major problem. The fact that Shetland on average has 9-10 months from 12 when you come out of some doo its a night of crap, probably has quite a factor on that. Staggering pished, stoned or whatever from Hay's to the Upper Viking, Fort or Town Hall is heavy going on a fine night, and just south of impossible when its pissing it down and blowing half a gale. Tends to make many just say "**** it" and wait for the next taxi home. which in itself just exacerbates another problem, as the car they came in often just sits blocking a space in whatever car park they left it for a day or two. Aren't the car parks overflowing enough on a Saturday morning without extras added to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unlinkedstudent Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 Will colour blind people be able to read their seat number? *Add ridiculous, unfounded and laughable complaint/question/allegation here*. How predictable, have a dig at someone's disability. Mind you, you forgot to mention that many people have a job finding their (correct) seat number in a cinema, be it through drink, small numbering or even the fact the lights are out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatal Paper Cut Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 I think you'll find I mentioned the North Ness and the Upper Viking Car Park, being as they were nearest. You'll have to have a good spit going on if you can reach the Town Hall or the Fort from Hay's though..... With the Museum car park and the North Ness Business Carparks just round the corner, it's hardly an issue, is it? The fact is there's plenty of car parking space in buildings that aren't likely to be in occupancy during late hours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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