Frances144 Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 ....and with that, the OP was never seen again.******** sigh ********** panrider913 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Davie P Posted February 17, 2015 Popular Post Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 (edited) It's a shame to see another potentially interesting and constructive thread take such a needlessly negative turn at the hands of the same group of folk. Edited February 17, 2015 by Davie P Kafka, Frances144, khitajrah and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panrider913 Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 Couldn`t agree more Davie P. Paints a wonderful picture Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulb Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 i was trying to be helpful. been trying not to be argumentative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulb Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 i do understand why its a sensitive question. maybe a questionnaire and post on shetland times and news. possibly printed letter as well. with a possible idea of dropping some off at cab. and salvation army. being poor in a rich community is worse than were all are poor. its why i never bothered when i was young but it truly does stop your future development. i wanted to stay on into 6th form. i loved history but i was not able no money then to support post 16 school. funnily my great grandfather and mum faced the same. my kids are the first in my family line ever to do uni. so we are breaking new ground. wifes family it was assumed you would attend further or higher education. i was some what shocked by life on the dole. no reason why younger folks under say 20 should be on benefits.its wrecking lives. it would make sense to pay them to work. i really dont like workfare. the old yts and community service. helped loads away from the dole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 Take a pop at me if you wish but, if "Angelpie" had given us his proper name, occupation etc. as part of his original post then, I might have reacted differently. The initials 'NJ' mean nothing. I know that it's the 'internet' but, would anyone here seriously consider giving intimate details (in confidence of course) of their lifestyle/finances/what they had for dinner/anything and everything else to an anonymous poster? Suffererof1crankymofo and as 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davie P Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 You've made your point Colin. Let's move on. JGHR 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davie P Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 Here's an interesting blog from a couple of years back about a food bank in Shetland http://www.elizabethskitchendiary.co.uk/2013/12/food-poverty-in-shetland.html/ JGHR 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGHR Posted February 18, 2015 Report Share Posted February 18, 2015 Do you expect journalists, academics, or researchers to work for nothing, or do you think that people just shouldn't write about poverty? What about charities and aid agencies which are devoted to fighting poverty, do you think that their staff should also work for nothing? As an aside the OP never said they were receiving payment for their article, did you have a point to make by raising that, or are you simply trolling? There's lots of data already out there done by such researchers (Rowntree, for example) regarding poverty. Many aid agencies do have unpaid volunteers who do work for nothing, if by nothing you are measuring it as being no money. I replied to a point made, I personally would not seek to make money at the expense of others' unfortunate situation - that's me. Not all journalists are exactly brilliant at reporting the facts these days, if anything, the standard of journalism has declined somewhat over the years into snippet misleading headlines. The OP may well indeed work for a charity but they don't say. Now, are you just trolling? I am not sure how my clear and succinct questions to you, which incidentally you did not answer, could be construed as trolling. This... Some newspapers pay people to write articles ... ....on the other hand. Perhaps, next time you sit down with a fag, you should think a bit more about what trolling actually is. I'm gone now, lest I contribute to the continued destruction of this perfectly good thread for which I thoroughly commend Davie P for trying to salvage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suffererof1crankymofo Posted February 18, 2015 Report Share Posted February 18, 2015 Deposited 5 Brussel sprouts 2 years ago and with enhanced interest rate just picked up 5 cabbages, food banks seems the way to go. Sssh, the SCT might hear ya and go for vegetable capital ... is that what the Green Investment Bank really is then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suffererof1crankymofo Posted February 18, 2015 Report Share Posted February 18, 2015 Do you expect journalists, academics, or researchers to work for nothing, or do you think that people just shouldn't write about poverty? What about charities and aid agencies which are devoted to fighting poverty, do you think that their staff should also work for nothing? As an aside the OP never said they were receiving payment for their article, did you have a point to make by raising that, or are you simply trolling? There's lots of data already out there done by such researchers (Rowntree, for example) regarding poverty. Many aid agencies do have unpaid volunteers who do work for nothing, if by nothing you are measuring it as being no money. I replied to a point made, I personally would not seek to make money at the expense of others' unfortunate situation - that's me. Not all journalists are exactly brilliant at reporting the facts these days, if anything, the standard of journalism has declined somewhat over the years into snippet misleading headlines. The OP may well indeed work for a charity but they don't say. Now, are you just trolling? I am not sure how my clear and succinct questions to you, which incidentally you did not answer, could be construed as trolling. This... Some newspapers pay people to write articles ... ....on the other hand. Perhaps, next time you sit down with a fag, you should think a bit more about what trolling actually is. I'm gone now, lest I contribute to the continued destruction of this perfectly good thread for which I thoroughly commend Davie P for trying to salvage. I take it you missed the part where the OP typed "What do people think?" then? I replied with what I thought. Nice of you to comment on my earlier contribution to the thread (to which the OP thanked me and another, totally missing out Ghostrider though). Perhaps the next time you sit down with a pipe, you could look up flaming troll too but I won't bet on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Scorrie Posted February 18, 2015 Popular Post Report Share Posted February 18, 2015 (edited) <iframe width="420" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/uD5Roi27YHM"frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> Edited February 18, 2015 by Scorrie Suffererof1crankymofo, paulb and Roachmill 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulb Posted February 18, 2015 Report Share Posted February 18, 2015 come on lets try to stay on topic op asked a question. now play nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post as Posted February 18, 2015 Popular Post Report Share Posted February 18, 2015 I find it hard to believe that the food banks clients are all "down to their last pot of joghurt in the fridge" and are "going hungry for a few days". I really hope that the agencies who refer their clients to food banks seriously encourage them to learn some basic cooking, budgeting and housekeeping first. Look at your monthly outgoings and see where you can make savings. Get rid of non essentials. Contrary to common believe, it is entirely possible to survive without a TV and a mobile phone and all those nasty little gadgets and expensive contracts that people are obsessed with. But maybe I am just of a different generation. We were taught to be self reliant. Keep a good store cupboard, grow a bit of veg. Get an allotment if you don't have a bit of garden ground that you can dig up. I am sick of this "entitlement society"! Can't afford to heat your whole house? Well, join the club! I leave a few rooms in my house unheated and have moved my bed into the living room where I have a wood burner. Yes, it gets cold at night once the fire has gone out. So what? You get used to it. I begin to feel too hot and uncomfortable if the room gets hotter than 14 Celsius anyway. Ever heard of a second pair of socks and a wooly jumper? I am wondering how much of this "problem" is actually just a case of lack of common sense and completely screwed up priorities? More important to keep your modern gadgets and pay those bills? Not surprising there's no money left to buy some food. Or is that considered to be the "basic standard" that you mustn't fall below? If people are not seriously encouraged to learn to live within their means then of course they will take what is on offer for free. There are people in this world who really know what hunger is! Stop carping and get on with it! Girzie, panrider913, Suffererof1crankymofo and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Posted February 18, 2015 Report Share Posted February 18, 2015 Largely agree with that lot but, I am hugely sympathetic towards anyone who is in genuine (not self inflicted) poverty. I am also puzzled that "Food Parcels" are not handed out unless you have been referred to the Sally Ann by one of the various "alphabet agencies" that we seem to have. CAB I can understand as they are, largely, a voluntary service and I would imagine that their referrals would carry some weight but, what about the rest? I have also been led to believe that these "parcels" are not handed out unless the applicant conforms to some pretty strict rules and there was me thinking that extreme poverty should be reason enough on it's own without the need for what might be a pretty humiliating set of "conditions" People need to be helped out of poverty not kept subjugated by it. Anyway, I had two very wise grandfathers who kept me right. My Paternal Grandfather told me that "it's not how much you earn that counts, it's how you spend it" My Maternal Grandfather told me that "the only true friend you will ever have is a penny in your pocket" Suffererof1crankymofo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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