peeriebryan Posted March 14, 2007 Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 So, imagine some scumbag steals your wallet/purse/handbag with your i.d. card inside it. Do you become effectively a non-citizen while the superslow judiciary grinds its wheels and your i.d. card languishes in an evidence store somewhere? Good point Scoobysue, I hadn't thought of that And if you were to loose your I.D. card, would you be a "non-citizen" until a new one could be issued? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trout Posted March 15, 2007 Report Share Posted March 15, 2007 What amazes me is that there was an emotive TV programme on with John Reid waffling about Estonia (his wife is from there) and how great a system they have. He then interviews various people and details that they are happy to be able to have ID cards as a means of protecting themselves from their once totalitarian state control. To them ID cards allows them the right to identity removing them from the faceless mire that was socialism. To hear John Reid, a top minister in our UK Government trot out that this was "[...] another simple reason why we should get ID Cards![...] (Paraphrased) was just galling! We DO NOT live under "official" totalitarian state control, NO-ONE needs to prove their identity 24/7 UNLESS they need to pass through a Governed state border and or if they are suspected of committing an act of crime against the laws of State. To mix their recent history with ours is criminal! I urge anyone who does not understand the consequences of datamining and character profiling to simply do a Google search on it in the context of state control! How long before every little thing you ever do is statistically scrutinised mercilessly by jobs-worths? The technology is actually here to do so ... if only the Government could successfully impliment it! People whinge about the 20 odd billion the UK Government is going to spend on replacing Trident. What about the 20 odd billion they are going to spend on implementing the first steps into full State control through a series of already known to be insecure computer systems? If I don't laugh I would cry! "If you've done nothing wrong?" .... "Yeah, if you've done nothing wrong ... why do you need one?!!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sassermaet Posted March 31, 2007 Report Share Posted March 31, 2007 So, imagine some scumbag steals your wallet/purse/handbag with your i.d. card inside it. Do you become effectively a non-citizen while the superslow judiciary grinds its wheels and your i.d. card languishes in an evidence store somewhere? Good point Scoobysue, I hadn't thought of that And if you were to loose your I.D. card, would you be a "non-citizen" until a new one could be issued? Excellent point! It would be far too much hassle. Best just to stick with good old passports, driver's licences, Young Scot cards etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitaldodo Posted April 3, 2007 Report Share Posted April 3, 2007 Is there not a creeping spirit of prohibition in this country? The ever so PC Scottish Executive is going to ban air guns in a couple o years time unless the police can come up with a compelling case for why they souldn't be banned. That is surely muckle sphincter aboot. The onus should be on the Executive to prove the need for a ban. I've seen the same thing at the cooncil where the presumption seems to be that you should need to prove that you need XYZ rather than that in a free society it is your right to do your will unless there are compelling reasons otherwise. The public drinking ban in Lerwick has raised little fuss - maybe it's a good thing - but it won't have much influence on people getting drunk and fighting which they will continue to do so anyway. Has there been much problems with people getting glassed in Lerwick? The identity card is just taking things further down the route to a police state. When that particular genie is out of the bottle, there will be no putting it back. And however hellish the state becomes there will be no chance of resistance when the authorities know what you had for breakfast on any given morning, never mind where you are going, what you are spending your money on or who you are associating with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fifi Posted April 4, 2007 Report Share Posted April 4, 2007 We seem to be creeping ever closer to an Orwellian state. This is so 1984 it's unbelievable.. "Home Secretary John Reid has unveiled plans to expand the use of 'talking' CCTV cameras across the country. Loudspeakers are being fitted to cameras in 20 areas, allowing CCTV operators to bark commands at people committing anti-social behaviour." http://www.guardian.co.uk/uklatest/story/0,,-6531565,00.html Big Brother's watching you... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twerto Posted April 4, 2007 Report Share Posted April 4, 2007 you get that already when you walk around outside the front of the new museum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOYAANISQATSI Posted April 4, 2007 Report Share Posted April 4, 2007 Welcome to the new world order, you will be assimilated. as long as they gie me a new one each week, as I seem to lose bank cards and such on a regular basis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marjolein Posted April 5, 2007 Report Share Posted April 5, 2007 I just think it's a big hassle. They'll get lost or stolen by somebody else and it's going to cost so much. I really don't think this is the best choice in how to spend money here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Njugle Posted May 10, 2007 Report Share Posted May 10, 2007 From todays BBC news: ID card scheme cost put at £5.4bn I got a shock when this was breezed over in the lunchtime news as it came across as if the card scheme was going ahead and ths was just a cost adjustment, the Beeb had no 'if' in the report at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DamnSaxon Posted May 10, 2007 Report Share Posted May 10, 2007 it came across as if the card scheme was going ahead and ths was just a cost adjustment Well, there wasn't quite the rioting in the streets there should have been when it was first announced, so it's probably fair to assume it is going ahead. Joe Public is too busy watching 'Big Brother' to realise the irony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOYAANISQATSI Posted May 11, 2007 Report Share Posted May 11, 2007 I'll see your 5.4bn Njugle and raise you to 18bn http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4590817.stm Beware all, this is mearly the precursor, the matrix has you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medziotojas Posted November 21, 2007 Report Share Posted November 21, 2007 Appeal to the yes voters in this thread: In light of yesterday's revelations, do you still feel comfortable with the govenment's plan to introduce ID cards? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Posted November 21, 2007 Report Share Posted November 21, 2007 Appeal to the yes voters in this thread: In light of yesterday's revelations, do you still feel comfortable with the govenment's plan to introduce ID cards? Would a Turkey vote fro Christmas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medziotojas Posted November 22, 2007 Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 ^I guess that depends on which definition of the word 'turkey' you want to use. It seems they're keen to go ahead with this regardless. I think, as far as this issue is concerned, refusal to pay and rebellion are totally acceptable measures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Posted November 22, 2007 Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 ^I guess that depends on which definition of the word 'turkey' you want to use. Just about every 'turkey' I've ever seen has been pretty dumb. Go figure. Wait for the 'spin'What is almost certain to happen is that they will try to use the loss of the cd's as a reason to 'tighten up' procedures and 'protect' our personal data by introducing ID cards as a method of protecting against identity theft/fraud.I wonder how many ID cards will go missing in the post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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