paulb Posted July 2, 2015 Report Share Posted July 2, 2015 iona is a retreat for Christians. dont see any issues with a person supporting such a foundation. as to his eton education why is it his fault.if he was using the old boys network i would be bothered but he did not. he was a teacher. Frances144 and George. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suffererof1crankymofo Posted July 2, 2015 Report Share Posted July 2, 2015 iona is a retreat for Christians. dont see any issues with a person supporting such a foundation. as to his eton education why is it his fault.if he was using the old boys network i would be bothered but he did not. he was a teacher. paulb, you haven't read all the info in the link, have you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frances144 Posted July 2, 2015 Report Share Posted July 2, 2015 (edited) I guess I use all my connections up here in Shetland as I too am from the "toff" places. The Iona Community sounds, well, Christian. **** sigh **** Edited July 2, 2015 by Frances144 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulb Posted July 2, 2015 Report Share Posted July 2, 2015 some find fault in even innocent activities whilst not finding wrong doing as a poor example in life. frances don't worry i dont see why it matters. i would have sent my kids to private school possibly not boarding im to clingy most parents would pay for a excellent start to life. if we could. its what you do with your life afterwards that counts. tv programme harrow a very British school was no posher than some grammer schools. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostrider Posted July 2, 2015 Report Share Posted July 2, 2015 iona is a retreat for Christians. dont see any issues with a person supporting such a foundation. as to his eton education why is it his fault.if he was using the old boys network i would be bothered but he did not. he was a teacher. A supporter would be one thing, he was one of those responisble for how the organisation behaved and was run, which is something entirely different. He was the religious orgnisation, the same as a Minister is the religion in the CoS, not just a mere supporter of the religious organisation Lets put it another way, if someone who in the past had held a role of responsibility within the Church of Scientology or had in the past been a muezzin, etc, and they stood as a candidate without making it crystal clear to their electorate of that past, would you be so blase about the situation? There's nothing wrong with someone being part of the "old boys" network, and using it to further themselves, or at least having it there to use to further themselves, if they so choose - IF the folk who voted them in to their position did so in the full knowledge that that was the case, and approved. By keeping his "old boy" network connections as quiet as possible, I would argue that Skene was effectively denying the folk he was asking to vote for him the knowledge to judge whether they wanted someone representing them who had the "old boy" network available to them to use if they chose to do so. Everybody has the right to their own opinion, no doubt some approve of the "old boy" system, and as likely some don't care, but there are also some who highly disapprove of the whole "old boy" thing, and most certainly do not wish to vote for anyone with even the most tentative connection to it. It is those people that Skene was misrepresenting himself to, by failing to be proactive and include his full bio in all his election literature, and not just the cherry picked points considered "attractive" to his chosen electorate. Of course, then there's the secondary question, of how well someone who was trained in formative years in the ways of the "old boys" could perform as a the pesudo-Socialist he was standing under the banner of, as the two are largely the antithesis of each other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frances144 Posted July 2, 2015 Report Share Posted July 2, 2015 The Old Boy System..... Sort of like being in a Jarl Squad then? Or Rotary Club? Or the Masons then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suffererof1crankymofo Posted July 2, 2015 Report Share Posted July 2, 2015 The Old Boy System..... Sort of like being in a Jarl Squad then? Or Rotary Club? Or the Masons then? I don't believe that you are so naive you don't know. Miss off the sarcasm icon then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostrider Posted July 2, 2015 Report Share Posted July 2, 2015 The Old Boy System..... Sort of like being in a Jarl Squad then? Or Rotary Club? Or the Masons then? You could see it that way, if you like, but on a national scale. In fact, an Up Helly Aa squad is actually a quite good analogy, given that the most incompetent and Clueless SIC we've had in a long time, went that way the more of his UHA squad colleagues the great leader gathered in the Town Hall. The nation tends to head in a similiar direction when the proportion of "old boys" at the top exceeds a certain percentage as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zebedee Posted July 2, 2015 Report Share Posted July 2, 2015 What sort of strong religious convictions would be an issue? Being a church elder, perhaps? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostrider Posted July 2, 2015 Report Share Posted July 2, 2015 What sort of strong religious convictions would be an issue? Being a church elder, perhaps? Any faith conviction *could* be the cause of an issue, the point is whether the individual in question is primarily driven to promote their chosen faith or the best interests of their constituents. An adherent to the Catholic or similar faith is virtually never going to support pro-abortionist legislation, regardless how much support it has among their constituents, you get my point. Its never been a secret Carmichael is an elder, and I can't say it endeared me much to him, however the passage of time seems to have provided proof that he can keep his faith convictions and MP duties seperate enough to perform the latter adequately. By choosing not to be upfront about his faith convictions and how he proposed to resolve those with MP duties where he was representing people of potentially every faith under the sun, and probably a not insignificant number of no faith whatsoever, Skene promptly excluded himself from at least some folks consideration. If you don't tell us how you propose to do the job, nor how you believe yourself to be capable of the job given what and who you are, you're not going to make the short list, its that simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suffererof1crankymofo Posted July 2, 2015 Report Share Posted July 2, 2015 (edited) I wouldn't vote for a Sally Army officer to be my MP; just imagine them voting on proposed drinking legislation or gambling (bingo halls, online sites, betting shops, etc.) legislation. Look at how many people aren't particularly happy that religious bods are involved in SIC Education as it is. Abortion - already it's been shown how that issue can divide politicians and that's before you throw in the religion card. Sex lives - ah yes, and again, it's bad enough with the new NHS Guidelines regarding female genital piercing as being mutilation (yet don't for men); why they seem to be so interested in what people get up to in their own free time beats me! So which politician was responsible for overseeing that gem? Just a few examples. So just to what degree do MPs allow their own religious beliefs to influence their decisions in da house? Do they abstain? Do they follow the party line? Edited July 2, 2015 by Suffererof1crankymofo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frances144 Posted July 2, 2015 Report Share Posted July 2, 2015 And if they were fully paid up Atheists, would the Ghostrider/Suffererofa1crankymofo brigade probably have a thing about that too...... ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suffererof1crankymofo Posted July 2, 2015 Report Share Posted July 2, 2015 And if they were fully paid up Atheists, would the Ghostrider/Suffererofa1crankymofo brigade probably have a thing about that too...... ? Well at least they wouldn't be believing in a book of stories wherein it was okay to be raped, stoned to death, and let your neighbour have sex with your daughter! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMe Posted July 2, 2015 Report Share Posted July 2, 2015 As an aside to this since Her Majesty is, among other things, "Defender of The Faith" and there would seem to be only one faith for her to defend, how can it be right that atheists or people of other religions be allowed to take a seat in Her Majesty's Parliament. Surely Defending The Faith ought to extend to keeping heretical non-believers out of Parliament. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capeesh Posted July 2, 2015 Report Share Posted July 2, 2015 So the SNP guy didn't mention his school, religion or ancestry in a leaflet.I have to admit that 99.9% of election literature that falls on my doormat goes straight in the bin so I can't honestly comment on that. I did read Tom Mortons letter in the Shetland Times before the election though, so this information (however relevant people find it) must have been easily accessible to someone with google or by anyone who read the Shetland Times.What I can't understand is the bizarre logic that this so called crime is as bad, if not worse than Alistair Carmichael abusing his position as Secretary of State for Scotland in a crude smear attempt, lying on live television about having any knowledge of it and then owning up only after he'd been caught by an expensive parliamentary leaks inquiry which only came to light after winning his seat by a tiny number of votes. thebfg and crofter 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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