hjasga Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 To be honest I don't think it is.It is probably the prevailing opinion of this thread, just framed in the classic "somebody had to say it" way despite all evidence to the contrary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wotsit Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 So there is a bottle neck , they are safe where they are so there is absolutely no need trash these points just ungrateful and greedy and they are not all fleeing immediate war zone. Turkey ,Serbia and Hungary are not warzones no excuses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wotsit Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 Not question someone had to say it, we are now beginning see the bigger picture and it's full implications for the UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjasga Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 So there is a bottle neck , they are safe where they are so there is absolutely no need trash these points just ungrateful and greedy and they are not all fleeing immediate war zone. Turkey ,Serbia and Hungary are not warzones no excuses. We as rational outsiders watching from our comfortable homes can see they are safe there. Clearly they are not all that comfortable. People don't take life-threatening journeys like many of these people have, just because they fancy somewhere slightly wealthier than where they are. The conditions in Turkey, Serbia and Hungary are a huge improvement on where they have come from, and yes - those places are not warzones - but they are still in a desperate situation. Supplies in these camps are limited, medical resources are stretched and clearly conditions are not hunky dory. People are acting as they are out of complete desperation, and to sit back and judge them as "ungrateful and greedy", to me, shows a complete lack of compassion and understanding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjasga Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 Not question someone had to say it, we are now beginning see the bigger picture and it's full implications for the UK.This has been the tone of the coverage almost the entire time. We had a brief change in tone following following the deaths of dozens of people in a truck in Austria, and the publication of images of the Kurdi family, but before that we were being told of the "swarms" approaching Europe, the various social problems, the terrible burdern it would be for us... We briefly had news coverage that treated these people like humans, but we're quickly reverting back to talking about them as "savages", or uncouth thugs with nothing in their heads but rude self-mindedness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuckleJoannie Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 If you watch this video(4.35) it shows how many of the immigrants have the latest mobile phones and use them to pass on the latest tips and information about the best routes to take. Yes it's very immoral of them to upgrade their phones before fleeing for their lives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjasga Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 If you watch this video(4.35) it shows how many of the immigrants have the latest mobile phones and use them to pass on the latest tips and information about the best routes to take. Yes it's very immoral of them to upgrade their phones before fleeing for their lives. Disgusting, isn't it? Us Brits would have the good manners to leave all our personal belongings behind when fleeing a warzone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suffererof1crankymofo Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 If you watch this video(4.35) it shows how many of the immigrants have the latest mobile phones and use them to pass on the latest tips and information about the best routes to take. Yes it's very immoral of them to upgrade their phones before fleeing for their lives. But fine for them to leave their wives and family behind then? The majority of those who have got out are those who could afford to pay; there's millions of others stuck there in the midst of the civil war who can't. Guess who I have the most sympathy for? wotsit 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Wheelsup Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 Obviously only those with money can afford to pay the exorbitant people smuggler fees.Up to date mobile communication can also be a valuable survival tool to keep in touch with whats happening as well as GPS etc.The "back to middle ages" terrorist types usually to try to wipe out the educated and middle classes first as they don't fall for their guff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kavi Ugl Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 (edited) If you watch this video(4.35) it shows how many of the immigrants have the latest mobile phones and use them to pass on the latest tips and information about the best routes to take.Yes it's very immoral of them to upgrade their phones before fleeing for their lives. Erm, that sounds like a contradiction. If you were actually fleeing for your life then surely the last thing that would be on your mind is "upgrading" your mobile phone. And anyway, the attitude and behaviour of many is leaving a lot to be desired. So much for showing some respect towards the people you're expecting to help you..... The problem with what's happening here is, yes, they might be leaving trouble countries but they're not content with arriving on the first safe shore and staying there - they're leaving their own countries and when they've crossed the various stretches of sea they're making a beeline for other specifc European countries which they regard as a lands of milk and honey. For me, this brings into question their motives for leaving. Edited September 15, 2015 by Kavi Ugl George. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wheelsup Posted September 17, 2015 Report Share Posted September 17, 2015 The mobile phone technology is a new thing Kavi. To the younger generation it is an important accessory. A bit like the wireless in your day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 http://www.shetnews.co.uk/news/11418-isles-consider-response-to-refugee-crisis Just who are "The Shetland Partnership Board" ? Anybody know? "Boden pointed out that the UK government was indicating it might help pay to refurbish accommodation for refugees." Yeah, like the "indicated" that they would pay for the Oil Industry housing.... We fell for it then, will we fall for it again? "However distribution based on the size of councils would see us receive only half a refugee,” Hooray, the great man has spoken and, as usual, put his foot into his mouth. Does anyone else think that "half a refugee" is a bit extreme? Instead of a half, couldn't we just ask for a little one... "Shetland Supports Refugees", "Shetland Solidarity with Refugees". Any other "pythonesque" groups out there? The point behind all this guff is that no one has yet seen fit to ask the public how we should respond. Ironwithin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suffererof1crankymofo Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 http://www.shetland.gov.uk/coins/committeeMembers.asp?id=416&bodytitle=Shetland+Partnership+Board Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 http://www.shetland.gov.uk/coins/committeeMembers.asp?id=416&bodytitle=Shetland+Partnership+Board The "Great" and the "Good" then.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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