Fjool Posted February 8, 2008 Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 What about the millions who have smoked cannabis and taken nothing else? Isn't it more likely that the people who are likely to experiment with one illegal substance are not dissuaded by their illegality anyway? I know many people who only smoke tobacco once they've had some beers; what of that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostrider Posted February 8, 2008 Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 People seem to be saying that smoking cannabis is not worse than drinking alcohol, but most people who drink alcohol would never contemplate taking cannabis or LSD or Heroin, however I bet there are loads of people who have taken cannabis who move on to stronger drugs. There is a big barrier between taking alcohol and moving on to 'drugs'. However the barrier from taking one drug to another stronger one is small. Do you have any hard evidence to back up these assertions, particularly the boldened parts, as my, albeit limited and now dated, personal experiences convince that almost the opposite is true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArabiaTerra Posted February 8, 2008 Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 Having read oneofpost's article, it seems that one drug leads on to another ..... Oh God, the same old "gateway" rubbish. The reason cannabis use often leads on to the use of other, harder drugs is because it is illegal, forcing you to go to a drug dealer (who usually has a whole range of delights to sell you) to get it. It has nothing to do with the intrinsic properties of cannabis itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJ Posted February 8, 2008 Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 Having read oneofpost's article, it seems that one drug leads on to another ..... Can't remember the wording quite right, but I think this illustrates the point. Encouraging your children to drink milk, is encouraging your children to be alcoholics. Most alcoholics drank milk as children therefore milk causes alcohol addiction. So just maybe milk leads to alcohol, alcohol to tobacco, tobacco to cannabis, cannabis to heroin, swatting flies to murder, I mean you could link up lots of things, most of it's to do with personality and opportunity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Styles Posted February 8, 2008 Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 Having read oneofpost's article, it seems that one drug leads on to another ..... Oh God, the same old "gateway" rubbish. The reason cannabis use often leads on to the use of other, harder drugs is because it is illegal, forcing you to go to a drug dealer (who usually has a whole range of delights to sell you) to get it. It has nothing to do with the intrinsic properties of cannabis itself. I totally agree with you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fjool Posted February 8, 2008 Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 It is easy to see why the 'Gateway' theory appeals, but it has been roundly discredited, and quite some time ago too. It is the result of flawed powers of reasoning, and a symptom of prohibition, not an inherent property of cannabis. If alcohol or tobacco were illegal, they would be so-called 'gateway' drugs themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crofter Posted February 8, 2008 Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 People seem to be saying that smoking cannabis is not worse than drinking alcohol, but most people who drink alcohol would never contemplate taking cannabis or LSD or Heroin, Except in this case, it seems that alcohol was the "gateway" to the other drugs... I continued to drink to excess and I found myself, usually while under the influence of alcohol, more inclined to try other drugs. Speed and LSD were becoming popular by now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moorit Posted February 8, 2008 Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 People seem to be saying that smoking cannabis is not worse than drinking alcohol, but most people who drink alcohol would never contemplate taking cannabis or LSD or Heroin, however I bet there are loads of people who have taken cannabis who move on to stronger drugs. There is a big barrier between taking alcohol and moving on to 'drugs'. However the barrier from taking one drug to another stronger one is small. Do you have any hard evidence to back up these assertions, particularly the boldened parts, as my, albeit limited and now dated, personal experiences convince that almost the opposite is true. My mum and granny like the odd tipple of alcohol but would never contemplate taking cannabis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moorit Posted February 8, 2008 Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 Encouraging your children to drink milk, is encouraging your children to be alcoholics. Most alcoholics drank milk as children therefore milk causes alcohol addiction. Eh ??? What are you on about ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moorit Posted February 8, 2008 Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 If alcohol or tobacco were illegal, they would be so-called 'gateway' drugs themselves. They don't have to be illegal to be gateway drugs. Do they ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moorit Posted February 8, 2008 Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 People seem to be saying that smoking cannabis is not worse than drinking alcohol, but most people who drink alcohol would never contemplate taking cannabis or LSD or Heroin, Except in this case, it seems that alcohol was the "gateway" to the other drugs... I continued to drink to excess and I found myself, usually while under the influence of alcohol, more inclined to try other drugs. Speed and LSD were becoming popular by now. You are quite right, in this case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moorit Posted February 8, 2008 Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 Having read oneofpost's article, it seems that one drug leads on to another ..... Oh God, the same old "gateway" rubbish. The reason cannabis use often leads on to the use of other, harder drugs is because it is illegal, forcing you to go to a drug dealer (who usually has a whole range of delights to sell you) to get it. It has nothing to do with the intrinsic properties of cannabis itself. I totally agree with you. I totally disagree with you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moorit Posted February 8, 2008 Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 What about the millions who have smoked cannabis and taken nothing else? I bet they don't outnumber the amount who have drunk alcohol and taken nothing else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostrider Posted February 9, 2008 Report Share Posted February 9, 2008 People seem to be saying that smoking cannabis is not worse than drinking alcohol, but most people who drink alcohol would never contemplate taking cannabis or LSD or Heroin, however I bet there are loads of people who have taken cannabis who move on to stronger drugs. There is a big barrier between taking alcohol and moving on to 'drugs'. However the barrier from taking one drug to another stronger one is small. Do you have any hard evidence to back up these assertions, particularly the boldened parts, as my, albeit limited and now dated, personal experiences convince that almost the opposite is true. My mum and granny like the odd tipple of alcohol but would never contemplate taking cannabis. Well, that would be two then, out of how many is it that's riding the back of old Britannia these days....66 Million, plus no doubt a few million more illegals. Hardly what one might call a meaningful and representative sample, is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moorit Posted February 9, 2008 Report Share Posted February 9, 2008 ^^The point is there are quite a few million just like my mum and granny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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